Saga of Tanya the Evil

Saga of Tanya the Evil

anaphylactic god Jun 21, 2017 @ 10:05pm
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probably worst title this year
honestly, every time i read "low life die and become successful in another world becouse reasons" type novella, it feels like author was bullied at school or something.
but here we have a special case, where becoming successful is not nearly enough. Here we have god himself and say something like "Good sir, you are so special, i'mastonished"
Author is writing under pseudonym of "Carlo Zen" and there is nothing know of him exept his other work(which is about time traveler in pseudo-USSR where he become successful becouse reasons"
Since the series was hypes so much i really tried to liked, i even tried to read manga and novel.
Have to say, story would probably much better if it wasnt so fixated on main character.
like " little girl mages recruited becouse of the desperate situation on all fronts" instead of "a single little girl recruited before actual war even started becouse why not". And hat was MC basis for joining millitary, well aware Germany lost both world wars. I think it wouldn't be a problem for a time traveler (from another dimension?) to become rich and famous without actually risk his life, even the guy who invented tetra pak casing has become a millionaire.
Well, there is a chance MC is a sadist who just like to hurt people, he even endangered life of his own subbordinates on multiple occasions.
Even god forced to controdict his own words - first he tells how hard it to monitor 7 billion people and then it turns out there is multiple worlds( what makes overall population much bigger) and he constantly spying on MC like he dont have anything better to do.
and the plot armor ? there was so many times when one of the craracters has hit with a bullet and took no damage thanks to his magic shielding, while enemies with same magic shields drop like flies from a single bullet.
Visual quality of this show drops pretty hard after first five episodes, production was even forced to make a recap episode out of parts of six first episodes montaged together, at least they have the dignity to not sell it here (oh wait, they really sell recap at the price of a whole episode, good job)
I could probably talk about flaws of this show for whole day, but i had already forgotten half of what i was going to write so i will stop here.
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Worst title of the year? Hardly. Was plenty worse released, even if you didn't care for this.


The reasoning for the military was as a stepping stone out of poverty, which was widespread and there wasn't the social safety net there is today. The entire 'second sons join the military' idea. His entire thing with the military was to escape combat, and it back fires

It isn't (unjustified) plot armour, he's just 'that much more powerful', part of the Being X Package for Plot. Then once given the Type 95, which is yet another step up in power, yes, he can't be compared to mooks. However, that same favour perk gets given to his foes as Being X gets petulant the repenting game isn't going the way he wants.

As for sadism...not really. More a mental disorder where empathy is pretty much non-existant, and people are just resources. Add to that being vengeful... Tanya is a jerk, just not a sadistic jerk. Add in the combat drugs and well...

Being X is just one in a group, but anime doesn't make that clear. He is however, also a jerk.

The 'loli MC' though is pure fanbait. Even if there is a 'reason' (enlist early to get out of poverty, and hopefully be ranked and retired before WW2..except.. history is different so..oops? Welcome to the Western Front), it's still obvious. Perhaps he felt a male adult jackass of an MC wouldn't be as liked as a loli jackass?


Time travel knowledge wouldn't help him here. It's alternate history world, so lottery numbers won't help, knowing how a Pentium is made wouldn't help with magitech world, etc. He'd need credibility for a lot of inventions, capital and tools, things he lacks. There really isn't much his future knowledge brings that would be of use to him. His only advantage (beyond hax magic core crap, and 'if i feign faith, i get a power up, at the price of control and memories') is the world is at a paradigm shift in warfare, and he can (for now) advantage future battle tactics. That advantage wouldn't last long as everyone goes unconventional.

As for random guy being picked, well..one could say this is 'The Book of Job..turned wrong' .
anaphylactic god Jun 22, 2017 @ 2:35am 
Originally posted by 殺してあげる:
The reasoning for the military was as a stepping stone out of poverty, which was widespread and there wasn't the social safety net there is today. The entire 'second sons join the military' idea. His entire thing with the military was to escape combat, and it back fires
it would work really well if protoganist were 18-20 years old, tried to find a good job but failed, in a world with modern-life slavery where you do need a stepping stone, or emipre like ancient rome where you can become citizen only by serving in military.

Originally posted by 殺してあげる:
It isn't (unjustified) plot armour, he's just 'that much more powerful', part of the Being X Package for Plot. Then once given the Type 95, which is yet another step up in power, yes, he can't be compared to mooks. However, that same favour perk gets given to his foes as Being X gets petulant the repenting game isn't going the way he wants.
well, its not only MC. In episode 07 their whole squad take fire from a guy with automatic rifle yet not even one of them suffer any damage.


i think show could be good and engaging if only author put some work into world and basis for MC decissions. I mean, author cant be bothered to even make proper names for countries. Empire dont have a name at all, even in wiki its just "Empire".
Macho Grande Jun 22, 2017 @ 6:55am 
♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, one of the better titles of the year for being a alt-timeline world show even before throwing in the big flip reveal of being a reincarnation story.
anaphylactic god Jun 22, 2017 @ 9:21am 
Originally posted by OVRWTCH-Timber:
♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, one of the better titles of the year for being a alt-timeline world show even before throwing in the big flip reveal of being a reincarnation story.
big flip ? wasnt it in like, second episode ?
殺してあげる Jun 22, 2017 @ 10:01am 
Well as for the whole squad... I don't think the anime mentions it, but they also have an upgrade. While Tanya has the 'Quad Core' that isn't replicable because it took a 'Miracle', the rest of her squad was given some dual core gem. So at least to start they have an advantage.

That said, I agree: enemy get shot past their shields, and limbs explode. Tanya's get shot and they... drift down gently and are recoverable? Wounded sure, but no permenant injury or even scarring. Then again, when she shot down the enemy bombers, those rather drifted down gently into its landing... gentle enough it looked like is should have had survivors.
gia Jun 22, 2017 @ 4:25pm 
Originally posted by anaphylactic god:
Originally posted by OVRWTCH-Timber:
♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, one of the better titles of the year for being a alt-timeline world show even before throwing in the big flip reveal of being a reincarnation story.
big flip ? wasnt it in like, second episode ?
take into account it has no episodes at all, it was at 20% of the show or something
Tericc Jun 27, 2017 @ 7:22pm 
Originally posted by 殺してあげる:

Time travel knowledge wouldn't help him here. It's alternate history world, so lottery numbers won't help, knowing how a Pentium is made wouldn't help with magitech world, etc. He'd need credibility for a lot of inventions, capital and tools, things he lacks. There really isn't much his future knowledge brings that would be of use to him. His only advantage (beyond hax magic core crap, and 'if i feign faith, i get a power up, at the price of control and memories') is the world is at a paradigm shift in warfare, and he can (for now) advantage future battle tactics. That advantage wouldn't last long as everyone goes unconventional.

As for random guy being picked, well..one could say this is 'The Book of Job..turned wrong' .
Aye, the history did not go back far enough for a common persons knowlege to be world altering unless your a leader in your field.
Designing a computer chip would also be far harder since most chips today are build from robotics, not by the human hand. Robotics that dont exist in the alterd world *yet*. Basicly you would have to redesign a computer from the ground up from the most basic of components in a world where the vaccum tube is state of the art tech.

medieval times you might have a much larger impact. For example as a common person with some basic school knowlege or otherwise in our modern age could reinvent steam power with basic princibles. Or the basics of gun poweder.
Infact simply having an idea in itself would propel a culture leagues ahead in that time. and thats just with basic science.

In Tanyas world, Unless your an expert in the field Tanya wont be able to do anything revolutonary. Due to her profesion in the our moder age she would excelle in human resources. And obviously she also has knowlege of history. So tatctics in an age where gorilla warfare was a very new concept but she knew a great deal of them or at least their existance.

The only real change she could bring is with ideas. Unless she is heard by the right people all she can do is influence and that is exactly what she is doing.
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anaphylactic god Jun 27, 2017 @ 8:39pm 


Originally posted by Tericc:
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The only real change she could bring is with ideas. Unless she is heard by the right people all she can do is influence and that is exactly what she is doing.
i dont even know what to say
on one hand i admit its hard to actually invent something using your basic knowledge, but on other hand we have assumption, what existence of god and magic have no effect on this world development.
i mean, they fight trench war yet they have bunch of people who can fly
and they invented gun powder yet they have people who can demolish big areas by reciting a prayer.
Tanya could as easily find himself in a world where any kind of progress is considered heresy against god and punished by death.
gia Jun 28, 2017 @ 3:05am 
Tanya knows "god" is against her, and knows shes in a country that would lose utterly, she should know she's gonna get screwed and everyone around her. If she was not a cartoon character she'd be moving to the USA or south america as top priority as europe is not a safe place.

What does she bring? She knows both Russia and the USA are going to be the executioners, she should be influencing the top brass to have a plan to counter them somehow. She knows the atom bomb is a key project to develop, she knows encryption has to be dealt with better, which needs computing, she may not know how computers are built but she knows what they do and what parts they use so she can give her rough designs to smarter people that only need an eureka moment. She knows cellphones, blue jeans, hollywood and rock, she can steal all of the great trends to put the empire on top culturally. She knows the IMF, UN, and etc organizations can help both keep peace in your power and control the world, she could attempt the empire to be the one that creates them.

She knows her country cant leak scientists, bankers and other powerful people and instead has to win the rush to the top even harder, securing an alliance with the USA would do wonders, reaching the A-bomb would at least secure status quo if not outright win, all this without being an expert on a field, just being somewhat smart and knowledgeable. Which I believe she was on her previous life.

She knows petrol is the major economy driver in the future and can give global hegemony, she would be insisting on an strong alliance with arab states (or, if magical crystals are the best source of energy and deifnitely not petrol, then the top producers of that), offer Russia a safe petrol pipeline deal (backed by the empire's army) in exchange for an alliance. Delay as much as possible while aiming for the A-bomb. In the beginning she was right to have doubts history will play similarly, but after the armistice and republic's fake peace she should expect for sure things will be different, yet the same unless, she does some major meddling.
On one hand, the show does mimic historical issues...WW1 had the paradigm shift from aerial is just recon (i.e balloons) to actually being decisive force. At that point ground troops just weren't prepared and a doctrine change was required. Happens again in WW1 with the naval capital ship doctrine surrounding battleships losing primacy to carrier aviation. There was rather strong resistance to the shift as well. It's these little insights giving Tanya an edge, albiet one that some in command also see (thus the surprise at 'who told you our plans?!?)

On the other hand, it is NOT her world. Petrol might actually NOT drive the economy in the future, as who knows what advanced can be made with those magitech things. The atomic bomb might not matter when a single mage can make a thermobaric bomb devestate the battlefield - if that's the power of a quadcore, what happens if they somehow 'network' a 'beowulf cluster of dual cores'? We're all assuming there is oil in arabia..what if there isn't? What if the sands hide rare earths, while the oil is buried under the tulips of the Netherlands? The changes might be more subtle and all encompassing than initially seems.

It's somewhat glaringly not ww2 - no alliances with italy, russia and japan analogues. Yet it's also not exactly ww1 - tech is off, initial impetus for war is wrong, and it's over a decade late. They are using some form of advanced magical RADAR...but that was something not until WW2.

Even past Tanya's lack of social skills, and mindset of people-are-resources, her knowledge isn't really THAT useful, especially without starting capital, time, and willing ears...even assuming she knew things beyond the brief synopsis of 'yeah, iPhone is a thing'.


Of course, that's even assuming Tanya has a single altruistic thought in her head. So far it's not so much "I shall uplift the world", but more 'How can I secure my retirement package best?"

gia Jun 28, 2017 @ 10:06pm 
season1 is ww1, not ww2 and well, it is her world, she was born and raised into it, its just she has reusable knowledge or at the very least useful paradigms/mindsets of another world as well. Basically she knows how things work.

She has already gained some influence/ears that listen with so few years, if she were allowed to live till 40 just imagine how much political power she could get in that time.
riley Jun 30, 2017 @ 1:09am 
you can't just go to a scientist and tell them they need to make uranium bombs, or they should use silicon chips instead of vacuum tubes in their computers.
there is a very good chance they already knew more about nuclear bombs then your average person does today, and same goes for computers we all know silicon chips allow for greater miniaturization but how do you make a silicon chip?
culture follows trends it does not have intrinsic value and there is no reason to think that trying to start a trend early and out of place would work.

consider flight for example(despite the fact they already have it), da vinci was designing flying machines back in the 1500's to no avail then its not till the late 1800's that people start to have success and then the wright brothers flight in 1903 and in 1912 the British created the royal flying corps.
i think the average person would know enough to design a basic wing but would they know enough to design the control surfaces like the wright brothers?
if not then it shortens the design process to about 20-30 years if so then its still about 10 years. thats only if you can get people to listen to you, when the nuclear bomb was suggested to the US in a letter the scientists involved went to Einstein to have him sign the letter and add credence to it, which is one of the problems i see with the series, a little girl is one of the empires leading military strategists and people are only slightly concerned by it.

i think as a layperson the best you can hope for is to write the letter that rises awareness to a invention or field of study that already exist, you can't just name a invention and expect someone to then know how to build it.
the exception is innovation, if your not trying to invent new tech but instead coming up with new ways to use what you already have then you can be vague.

another thing to consider is the tank, the idea was suggested and designs developed before WW1 but they were rejected completely because no one wanted trench warfare and no one would of agreed to them before they were already locked into trench warfare.
the germans wanted to out manoeuvre the french and take paris and end the war before the entente could fully mobilize and use their manpower advantage aganst them, the entente wanted to use their manpower advantage to out manoeuvre and surround the germans.
you need to convince them that the enemy will keep trying to flank them till there is a continuous line of trenches from the alps to the sea, obviously its a lot easier after the fact.
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gia Jun 30, 2017 @ 1:21am 
she has a direct line to crazy scientist+engineer that also gets the help from god itself, what else do you need to get things invented?, if he cant get it done then its clear god itself will prevent you from pulling those tricks off, if it gets done then it means it is fair game. Just stay clear off him after suggesting what to focus on.

As you said she's taken very well into account by the leading strategists of her country, the only people she doesnt have any influence on is politicians (and it seems even if she tried to use the generals for this, the generals will avoid at all costs bossing them around) and middlemen (still considered a kid with no political power on her own), but those can be fixed by gettng more quick promotions.
rei Jun 30, 2017 @ 7:25am 
Watafak are u talking about this is a great anime, btw read the manga it's better...

Sorry Translated (mostly ;) )
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riley Jun 30, 2017 @ 10:26am 
i think you missed my point, if you went back and told them to bombard uranium-235 with neutrons they would ask you what a neutron is and how to separate uranium-235 from other forms of uranium, if you knew this they could start their version of the Manhattan project which took 6 years, for half of that the project was underfunded as the US was not at war so lets say 4 years minimum for a industrial powerhouse which hadn't been bombed and weakened by years of constant war.

if you could bring back or memorise and reproduce actural reserch papers or schematics then thats a different matter, you could forgo most of the development but for example if you teach them how to build a tiger tank without teaching them how to make rolled homogeneous armour then they would need to use cast steel which is weaker or develop the armour too.
each piece you leave out they need to develop.

if she could get the mad scientist to help she would be able to get ONE thing invented at a time, maybe after some success she would have more influence but if she tried to do too much they would think she was just a kid who liked science fiction too much.
which is a good example of the problem, we have had science fiction ideas about warp engines and teleporters for decades, some of it for over a century and while i won't deny they have influenced scientific progress we still don't have half the stuff that was predicted.

most of the tech people already knew about they just didn't know how to make it yet and thats what you need to teach them.
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