CloD vs BoS. Stick with CloD.

[✚Panzerlang✚]

The BoS dev doesn't allow comparisons between CloD and BoS on the Steam BoS forum.

So all you need to know is here:

http://ii-jg3.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=4

Don't bother with BoS if your requirement is for a simulator. BoS is a game, not a sim. It's FMs are generic and biased towards the soviet planes, in my opinion and the opinions of many many others. Soviet planes that were significantly inferior in real life can easily hold their own against German planes and out-fly them if both pilots are broadly equal. And this is before the La5FN is released. Once that comes out, no doubt very soon after release, the game will become an online turkey-shoot for players who fly the soviet a/c.

CloD, with the Team Fusion patches/mod, is a superb simulator, the like of which will not be seen again for a very very long time. If ever. Do not be fooled into thinking BoS is even in the same county, never mind ball-park.

[Degenerate]

Maybe down the track someone will release mods to make it reflect history a bit better

[✚Panzerlang✚]

That's my hope.

[J. Bond]

Thanks for the heads up Siggi.

[✚Panzerlang✚]

No worries. Don't forget to download the Team Fusion patches/mod from the ATAG server, they are what turn CloD into its current excellence.

[Stuka]

Shat!!! One day too late, Bought the Deluxe edition for $90 something off of Steam. So far you are right. It's a game to catch the War Thunder player base. It is hardly a sim. I'm not feeling the sim vive, is more of a Il2 Birds of Prey with a cockpit view.


Experience for me its like :
Call of Duty = arcade
Battlefield = more realistic but not close to Arma.

WT,IL2 Birds of Prey = arcade
Il2 Battle of Stalingrad = more realistic but not close Il2 CoD,
DCS.

[✚Panzerlang✚]

Yep, that about sums it up. It's a good game but not a proper sim. FMs are too generic feeling. None of the German planes strike a chord with RL accounts and they're certainly not superior enough to the soviet stuff. Game-balance for the WT crowd I'm afraid.

[defiant]

Originally posted by II/JG3~Siggi:

Yep, that about sums it up. It's a good game but not a proper sim. FMs are too generic feeling. None of the German planes strike a chord with RL accounts and they're certainly not superior enough to the soviet stuff. Game-balance for the WT crowd I'm afraid.

So says the guy who has never flown a real plane before, or ever been in one. Weird how real life pilots with Yak experience have posted this:

http://steamcommunity.com/app/307960/discussions/0/35221031744435568/

Siggi, trolling flightsims since the year 2000.

[VikingFjord]

i have been playing BOS since it was allowed to buy it..and i have been flying simulators for more then 20yrs...i also do fly the german planes for the most of the time..and i can say with ease...that II/JG3 Siggi is Bulls***ing...there is no truth to what he says..
BOS is one of the best simulators out there and i would without hesitation say it is as good as if not better then DCS
these developers deserves alot more respect then this..sometimes they work their as*es off just to push out the next patch and the clock is more then 5 in the morning when they leave from work these guys are the premium developers of gaming/simulator industry
and also keep in mind this game isn't done yet..

[startrekmike]

I also speak as a long time flight simulation fan (since Falcon 3.0) when I say that as a survey sim, Battle of Stalingrad does it's job pretty well, it is not nearly as bad as Siggi so dramatically puts it.

It is not going for the same gameplay style as CloD but both CloD and BoS are survey sims none the less and each has their own strenghts and weaknesses.

It is also worth nothing that Siggi's intentions here are more personal than he lets on, he has been bannned from the BoS steam forums for spamming and fighting, it is good to keep that in mind when considering his stance on the sim.

Finally, as I said when he posted this several times on the BoS steam forums, he must be playing a entirely different sim than others are, the Russian planes are inferior to the German ones in BoS, the 109 is easily the best all-around fighter in the sim and even a player who is vaguely familiar with how to handle a 109 in a sim will have no trouble doing very well in it.

[✚Panzerlang✚]

I was banned from the BoS forums for posting my opinions about the game on another forum that is neither owned nor adminned by anyone to do with BoS. That includes being defrauded of content I paid for when I bought the Premium Package. There's a reason 1C/777 try to restrict information about BoS of course.

Of course the fan boys will say BoS is the best thing since sliced bread. It's herd-mentality, a well known psychological phenomena. And anyone who goes against the herd, however honestly, suffers attack.

My opinion is based upon playing every WW2 flight-sim since 1993 and I consider BoS' FMs to be generally poor and generic. They certainly do not, in the case of the the German fighters, reflect the abilities of the real planes.

It's a good game but it's not a sim.

[H.Ostermann]

I will Stick with Cliffs of Dover.
IL-2 Bos DM is too simple for a 2014 simulator, dammit, back in 2003(4) we have so many discussion about DM, because the old IL-2 (at that time), have a nice DM, but too simple to emulate better the difference in weapons, like, 7mm mg is too weak, 20mm is too strong, then Oleg says that for the next sim he will build a much more complex damage model system.

And is a Combat Flight Simulator, not only Flight Simulator, we have to consider DM at the same level of FM, and BOS have a nice FM, but a bad DM.

[Schmittfeuer]

Dear god, Siggi this whole debate feels like the War Thunder general chat all over again. Just what do you expect these poor german machines to be able to do?

[VikingFjord]

im sure Siggi wish the german luftwaffe to sh** rainbows and unicorns..and that they should be able to go into good old god mode...but for those of us who lives in the real world..and play BOS would know that 109 would spank the russian planes allday long..777 studios is making a great simulation of one of the most intense theater of aviation war history
777 Studios also did a great work on Rise of flight and supported it with content for many many years 5-6yrs i think..and all models they make is made with correct data that they collect from offical sources from both sides..there is no balance system in BOS you have to be a good pilot and take a defeat like a man and not cry about russian bias..that stuff perhaps works over at WT guys but not here..

[✚Panzerlang✚]

Sh** rainbows and unicorns? You mean like the CloD Spitfire vs the Emil? Per reality? Yes, I expect the 109F, 109G and 190A3 to walk all over the soviet planes of the time represented in BoS. Not to be hamstrung by rubber-banding, radical departures from control and a number of other significant anomalies and aberrations. While the soviet planes exhibit no similar handicaps.

There are lots of players complaining about these issues. Guess where their posts end up? Yes, removed from general discussion on the BoS forum and hidden in the access-only forum.

The German planes are handicapped, the soviet ones are not.

[Schmittfeuer]

Originally posted by VikingFjord:

russian bias..that stuff perhaps works over at WT guys but not here..

That's not even a thing there. The only nuissance ♥♥♥♥♥♥ in WT is the fact that their Tiers are messed up in the sense that LaGGs meet Emils. You'll still hear everyone cry about how OP Russians are though because of the Shkvas.

Originally posted by II/JG3~Siggi:

You mean like the CloD Spitfire vs the Emil? Per reality? Yes, I expect the 109F, 109G and 190A3 to walk all over the soviet planes of the time represented in BoS.

I have no clue what you're playing, the Friedrichs, not to mention the Gustavs, absolutely dominate the LaGGs and are at the very least equal to the Yaks (talking about the F-4). Of course that doesn't mean that the Russian planes can't fight back. If this was about Ishaks and biplanes then you'd have a point, but here the planes aren't as far apart in performance as some people make it out to be. This isn't a biplane vs rocketplane fight. Sure the 109 will outclimb and outmaneuver a LaGG, but that doesn't make it invincible and unable to loose.

As for the rubber banding, how would that even work in a sim? I understand how that comes to be in a racing game but come on, now it's just getting ridiculous.