Team Fusion Patch is a Trojan and Virus?..

[Solarstrike]

As labeled and always have been labeled as such by McAfee Stinger and ESET. Two of the most accurate and efficient anti-virus software on the entire planet. If they WERE NOT viruses or Trojans, then why hasn't Team Fusion corrected the matter?

A "false positive" is 1990's computer lingo which doesn't apply in today's day and age with the advancement of computer technology and advanced algorithms. Do not let anyone fool you into thinking otherwise.

[Lolsav]

You should use google more often. Its called a "false positive", where anything with a EXE file, like it happens on 4.0, its labeled as "virus". Since this is a MOD file and not a "official", at least untill it gets integrated on STEAM, as it has been announced, posts like this might keep occuring. You are free not to install it, but else those thousands who have done it have no problems with it at all. The post you made misleads and induces in error.

[Solarstrike]

Originally posted by ATAG_Lolsav:

You should use google more often. Its called a "false positive", where anything with a EXE file, like it happens on 4.0, its labeled as "virus". Since this is a MOD file and not a "official", at least untill it gets integrated on STEAM, as it has been announced, posts like this might keep occuring. You are free not to install it, but else those thousands who have done it have no problems with it at all. The post you made misleads and induces in error.

Wrong. Don't tell me, go explain that to McAfee and numerous other professionals. I know far, far more about computers than you could possibly imagine. I was decompiling The Lurking Horror on my Commodore while you were trippin over Lego's in the toy store.

[D.A.P.A]

Originally posted by Solarstrike:

Wrong. Don't tell me, go explain that to McAfee and numerous other professionals. I know far, far more about computers than you could possibly imagine. I was decompiling The Lurking Horror on my Commodore while you were trippin over Lego's in the toy store.

Speaking both as an "Information Security professional" with over 25 years of IT and IS experience working for several Fortune 50 companies, and as someone who continually monitors his home network for suspicious activity, I will state that you are incorrect. Also, your statement concerning "false positives" being "1990's computer lingo which doesn't apply in today's day and age" is also factually incorrect. "False positives" can and do occur with all virus and malware detection tools. Even modern AV tools, which rely heavily on more advanced heuristic analysis to detect malware rather than more traditional signature based detection methodologies, turn up false positive findings (some AV vendors more so than others).

[III./ZG76_saipan 17]

Originally posted by Solarstrike:

Originally posted by ATAG_Lolsav:

You should use google more often. Its called a "false positive", where anything with a EXE file, like it happens on 4.0, its labeled as "virus". Since this is a MOD file and not a "official", at least untill it gets integrated on STEAM, as it has been announced, posts like this might keep occuring. You are free not to install it, but else those thousands who have done it have no problems with it at all. The post you made misleads and induces in error.

Wrong. Don't tell me, go explain that to McAfee and numerous other professionals. I know far, far more about computers than you could possibly imagine. I was decompiling The Lurking Horror on my Commodore while you were trippin over Lego's in the toy store.

LOL Mcafee LOL

[D.A.P.A]

Originally posted by III./ZG76_saipan 17:

LOL Mcafee LOL

Yeah, that was the point I was inferring with my "some AV vendors more so than others" statement above. :)

[Dazven]

Originally posted by Solarstrike:

Originally posted by ATAG_Lolsav:

You should use google more often. Its called a "false positive", where anything with a EXE file, like it happens on 4.0, its labeled as "virus". Since this is a MOD file and not a "official", at least untill it gets integrated on STEAM, as it has been announced, posts like this might keep occuring. You are free not to install it, but else those thousands who have done it have no problems with it at all. The post you made misleads and induces in error.

I know far, far more about computers than you could possibly imagine.

Professionals would disagree with you and you have shown to know far less than you imagine you do. Seriously, do you actually know professionals or have any understanding about the types of different AV detection methods or are you just going off your own feelings and ignorance?

Knowledge isn't far off in this day and age, you have the capacity to learn as do we all. I will not claim to know more than those in this particular field, but hell this is basic stuff and claiming that false positives when it comes to legitimate programs do not exist or are very rare anymore is an absolute false statement.

Hell these antivirus software/developers you bring up even state that false positives occur and why. Or are you just one of those people who think that everything is a lie and only talks about that for the layman?

Just to correct you, a trojan is not a virus. They are entirely different pieces of malware.

[Maru]

Solarstrike, your name sounds familiar to me, are you that troll that complained about the mods download site for being it to old and that it never got updated?

Now you deleted that post and made a new one?

Can you please go troll somebody else? Otherwise you wont last long here... trust me.

[Solarstrike]

Why hasn't Team Fusion done anything to fix the issue? Their patches are all viruses and Trojans. again, they have labeled as such for years now. Take that up with the major anti-virus companies, not me. Trojan variant Artemis isn't a false positive.

[Solarstrike]

Originally posted by Sunset Shimmer (Daz):

Originally posted by Solarstrike:

I know far, far more about computers than you could possibly imagine.

Professionals would disagree with you and you have shown to know far less than you imagine you do. Seriously, do you actually know professionals or have any understanding about the types of different AV detection methods or are you just going off your own feelings and ignorance?

Knowledge isn't far off in this day and age, you have the capacity to learn as do we all. I will not claim to know more than those in this particular field, but hell this is basic stuff and claiming that false positives when it comes to legitimate programs do not exist or are very rare anymore is an absolute false statement.

Hell these antivirus software/developers you bring up even state that false positives occur and why. Or are you just one of those people who think that everything is a lie and only talks about that for the layman?

Just to correct you, a trojan is not a virus. They are entirely different pieces of malware.

This is not an accurate assumption. You should be careful in defending things you don't know %100 about. Do you know the people whom made the patches, personally? While i respect the IL-2 (1946 and Cliffs of Dover) series and developers, i question the ways it which it was supported. Currently, if the team needs finances, then why not create something entirely new and go the crowd funding route? People all over the world would support it including me.

Regarding computer literacy, the easiest way to infiltrate a system is to disguise as a "patch" or "mod". Anything from spoofed certificates to a full replication of a software's file structure is possible. There is no impossible in the computer world. A trojan allows for other software to propagate, i know the difference. A trojan loosens the locks on the fence when no one is looking, then it's friends come by later and break in.

Hidden amongst the vast files are things that throw up red flags on all levels of detection strength. This is what anti-virus software is for and has detected, again, for many years now with the Team Fusion patches. Even detection years ago, with Hyperlobby, which opened up all kinds of doors on Windows XP all the way up to Windows 7.

Yes there are legitimate files in the patch per audio and graphics, but these things do not need an .exe. to install. I imagine manual installation (drop/drag) is the not the best way to install a trojan or inject a virus, hence the need for an .exe. I'm alluding to something the team may not be fully aware of. Perhaps someone on the team with a financial problem and possibly slipped a Bitcoin miner or something deep in the files.

edit: Some words of wisdom or something. Do not trust anyone on the internet. To most, you are a bunch of words. Nothing physical. No relation. Just another digital face in the crowd. If someone can use your computers' power to make them money, they will.

[Dazven]

Originally posted by Solarstrike:

Originally posted by Sunset Shimmer (Daz):

Professionals would disagree with you and you have shown to know far less than you imagine you do. Seriously, do you actually know professionals or have any understanding about the types of different AV detection methods or are you just going off your own feelings and ignorance?

Knowledge isn't far off in this day and age, you have the capacity to learn as do we all. I will not claim to know more than those in this particular field, but hell this is basic stuff and claiming that false positives when it comes to legitimate programs do not exist or are very rare anymore is an absolute false statement.

Hell these antivirus software/developers you bring up even state that false positives occur and why. Or are you just one of those people who think that everything is a lie and only talks about that for the layman?

Just to correct you, a trojan is not a virus. They are entirely different pieces of malware.

This is not an accurate assumption. You should be careful in defending things you don't know %100 about. Do you know the people whom made the patches, personally? While i respect the IL-2 (1946 and Cliffs of Dover) series and developers, i question the ways it which it was supported. Currently, if the team needs finances, then why not create something entirely new and go the crowd funding route? People all over the world would support it.

Regarding computer literacy, the easiest way to infiltrate a system is to disguise as a "patch" or "mod". Anything from spoofed certificates to a full replication of a software's file structure is possible. There is no impossible in the computer world. A trojan allows for other software to propagate, i know the difference. A trojan loosens the locks on the fence when no one is looking, then it's friends come by later and break in.

Hidden amongst the vast files are things that throw up red flags on all levels of detection strength. This is what anti-virus software is for and has detected, again, for many years now with the Team Fusion patches. Even detection years ago, with Hyperlobby, which opened up all kinds of doors on Windows XP all the way up to Windows 7.

Yes there are legitimate files in the patch per audio and graphics, but these things do not need an .exe. to install. I imagine manual installation (drop/drag) is the not the best way to install a trojan or inject a virus, hence the need for an .exe. I'm alluding to something the team may not be fully aware of. Perhaps someone on the team with a financial problem and possibly slipped a Bitcoin miner or something deep in the files.

Let me show you just one random page on the internet which has vast programs regarding computer security. Anyone can learn this stuff. There are people who know about computer much, much, more than the ones working in the industry:

https://github.com/sbilly/awesome-security

edit: Some words of wisdom or something. Do not trust anyone on the internet. To most, you are a bunch of words. Nothing physical. No relation. Just another digital face in the crowd. If someone can use your computers' power to make them money, they will.

So you responded to me with a surplus of imformation which proves what in this instance? Seriously, what I said is accurate considering your poor initial post. I never made claims without evidence aside from calling you ignorant(Which actually had some evidence considering your wording. Though I doubted that was truely the case).

I didn't say I trusted them at all. What I am saying here is that you are making claims without any reasons other than "Trust No one" and a possible false positive.

It is probable that it is malware and equally probable it is not malware, yet you outright claim it is malware..

"This is not an accurate assumption. You should be careful in defending things you don't know %100 about."

Seriously? Anyway the same goes for you. I was responding based on your initial argument(Which sounded ignorant due to phrasing and lumping together a trojan in with a virus) and the silly followup, I don't know your intelligence or literacy in this regard as you do not know mine. Your responses and initial argument were worded rather poorly, if you want to be taken seriously then I would drop ego and present an assumption with evidence rather than a random possibility(Bitcoin miners is fine, but what have you observed in this situation[Not in general] that would lead you to this assumption?).

Unless you can provide evidence(And I mean damning evidence), then you are just spouting hot air.

I'm not saying you would be wrong, but I do doubt your claim given lack of evidence.



Edit: Damning may be censored, so in case it is let's say "condemning evidence".

[WhjiteWolf]

Originally posted by Solarstrike:

Originally posted by Sunset Shimmer (Daz):

Professionals would disagree with you and you have shown to know far less than you imagine you do. Seriously, do you actually know professionals or have any understanding about the types of different AV detection methods or are you just going off your own feelings and ignorance?

Knowledge isn't far off in this day and age, you have the capacity to learn as do we all. I will not claim to know more than those in this particular field, but hell this is basic stuff and claiming that false positives when it comes to legitimate programs do not exist or are very rare anymore is an absolute false statement.

Hell these antivirus software/developers you bring up even state that false positives occur and why. Or are you just one of those people who think that everything is a lie and only talks about that for the layman?

Just to correct you, a trojan is not a virus. They are entirely different pieces of malware.

This is not an accurate assumption. You should be careful in defending things you don't know %100 about. Do you know the people whom made the patches, personally? While i respect the IL-2 (1946 and Cliffs of Dover) series and developers, i question the ways it which it was supported. Currently, if the team needs finances, then why not create something entirely new and go the crowd funding route? People all over the world would support it.

Regarding computer literacy, the easiest way to infiltrate a system is to disguise as a "patch" or "mod". Anything from spoofed certificates to a full replication of a software's file structure is possible. There is no impossible in the computer world. A trojan allows for other software to propagate, i know the difference. A trojan loosens the locks on the fence when no one is looking, then it's friends come by later and break in.

Hidden amongst the vast files are things that throw up red flags on all levels of detection strength. This is what anti-virus software is for and has detected, again, for many years now with the Team Fusion patches. Even detection years ago, with Hyperlobby, which opened up all kinds of doors on Windows XP all the way up to Windows 7.

Yes there are legitimate files in the patch per audio and graphics, but these things do not need an .exe. to install. I imagine manual installation (drop/drag) is the not the best way to install a trojan or inject a virus, hence the need for an .exe. I'm alluding to something the team may not be fully aware of. Perhaps someone on the team with a financial problem and possibly slipped a Bitcoin miner or something deep in the files.

Let me show you just one random page on the internet which has vast programs regarding computer security. Anyone can learn this stuff. There are people who know about computer much, much, more than the ones working in the industry:

https://github.com/sbilly/awesome-security

edit: Some words of wisdom or something. Do not trust anyone on the internet. To most, you are a bunch of words. Nothing physical. No relation. Just another digital face in the crowd. If someone can use your computers' power to make them money, they will.

Man.....youre ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ crazy. Who killed JFK? Where is Hitler living? lol

[jester]

Originally posted by Solarstrike:

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Oh look, someone who just finished their first semester of a computer science degree!

Oh I see you're a self-professed computer genius who was "decompiling The Lurking Horror on [your] Commodore while the rest of us were tripping over legos". Well in that case, why don't you decompile the patches and tell us what the evil virus is? I mean, surely a master of computer science (worthless degree; you should change your major) who has been decompiling software for decades could take apart a few patches made by some mod makers in their spare time and figure out exactly what this crazy evil virus is doing?

[JG4_Continu0]

Solarstrike, several thousand of people use the TF-patches, none of them reported any problems caused by the patches. There is no trojan. Period.

[Nadja]

OK guys, please stop feeding the troll.

[jester]

Originally posted by Panser:

OK guys, please stop feeding the troll.

What else is Karaya going to do when he's not on his trolling account :D