Manga contradiction with VN

[Dr Cthulhu]

I finished the game and decided to check some theory videos on YouTube and I notice they use the Manga to solve the crimes in the first 4 chapters of the VN. I am not sure why they are using the Manga here, I never read this Manga (literally finished the VN last night) I am sure it's good but these answers contradict everything the VN teaches us.

By Chapter 5 we are introduced to the Knox Ten commandments. These commandments are used against Battler, they are a legit weapon/defense in this story, Dlanor was brutal with these.

The Manga uses Yasu as the main mastermind in most murders right? Yasu is the granddaughter of Beatrice and the Daughter of Beatrice and she is revealed in Episode 7. She is not the same person as the two Beatrice we are aware of in the first 4 chapters (Grandmother and Mother) She is hinted at in Episode 5 with the phone call and kidnapping Krauss. But she is not mentioned in the first 4 Episodes.

So the manga using Yasu in the first 4 episode murder is a huge the contradiction between the Manga and VN with this one saying...

Knox 1) The criminal must be someone mentioned in the early part of the story.

Maybe the Manga introduces her early in the story but the VN does not.

So therefore Yasu can't be the mastermind in the VN according to its own rules.

Anyways I just wanted to throw that out there. I am sure this is gonna enrage everyone and that's fine, Erika enraged me when she pulled this ♥♥♥♥ also

Great story, I never bothered solving the murders since ultimately there was no murder at all and this was just one big cat box illusion caused by "Santa" magic created by Ange and the Internet. Plus after 200 hours I am ready for a actual game with gameplay.

[Eisenerz]

Originally posted by Funchal99:

Come now, you and I both now this tells me nothing. Please, elaborate. What exactly are the inconsistencies?

Ok
EP1 1st Twilight: First, Battler could only guessed the identity of the people by clothes or hair only - it's possible someone could changed the clothes/hair to fake their death. Second, Battler said he couldn't count the (dead) people on one hand (did he lost a finger?).
Ep1 2nd Twilight: Eva wanted George to come with them to the guest room. George didn't want to come. Suspicious.
Ep2 7th+8th Twilight: Godha was very calm after the servants were sent away by Rosa. Wouldn't he begging for his life if he is with Genji and Shannon alone?
EP3 2nd Twilight: Could be done by Yasu. Rosa suspected Kinzo and the servants are testing the adults.
EP 3 mansion deaths: Could be done by Yasu. Kyrie's idea wasn't only to lure Hideyoshi but to check the corpses in the mansion (note they suspected Nanjo).
EP3 Guest House deaths: Drugging could be done by Nanjo( he didn't want coffee) and killing done by Yasu. Note that Maria's sedatives were missing. Maybe barbiturates and sedative combo.
EP 3 9th Twilight: Not clear what actually happened. Theoretically, it's possible Yasu met Eva and Battler at the Parlor because (fantasy scene) Kanon brought Jessica to the parlor.
Ep4 1st+ 2nd Twilight: The order is not really important but the 'massacre in the dining hall' is pretty farfetched. It fits that some adults sacrificed themself for their children because it was discussed by 'Kinzo' and the adults and it was a possible answer in Beatrice's letter.

Originally posted by Funchal99:

...I may be misremembering, it's been a while, but I honestly don't get the inconsistency here, especially not one that brings down the story in any way. She didn't punish Battler for believing Eva is the culprit, she manipulated his emotions in order for him to embrace the magical side instead of the cruelty of truth (of that episode): that his own Aunt would be willing to murder their whole family.

It doesn't explain why George and Nanjo was killed. It is "shown" Rosa was seeing the gold, too. This make it very unlikely Eva got to talk with Beatrice and got the bank card nor she knew of the bomb. Killing family members leaves traces many traces. Did she think she can buy the police? So why do she kill her family again?

Originally posted by Funchal99:

It is easy mode. Ep3 was rewritten in order to more clearly explain what the story was going for. Eva being the culprit is also what most of the world believes since she's the only known survivor. Ep3 is one of the forgeries written by Yasu, as she imagined this scenario, it doesn't really matter if it is the most likely one or not. Furthermore:
- What promise did Yasu break?
- Like I said, Eva killed everyone because the siblings would never willingly accept she's the legitimate successor just because she solved the epitaph.
- The first twilight was Yasu, the rest was Eva, once she solves the epitaph it's implied Yasu simply stops her own plan and accepts whatever fate has in store, as those were the rules she set up for her own suicide-murder plan, so she didn't have any reason to actually reveal Eva as the culprit to everyone, she'd just let her do as she wanted.
- It can be inferred from all the magic scenes and the fact Beatrice begins to oppose Evatrice that Yasu eventually changed her mind due to wanting to protect George, but by then it's too late: Eva has a gun and is killing everyone.
- There's an entire scene of Eva being crowned the new Beatrice, so we can assume Yasu merely found out and gave the position to her, together with all the minutia (like the bomb), there's nothing that directly contradicts Eva simply escaping the bomb radius.
- Plus, this is a forgery, so it doesn't matter if we believe the actual Eva would go through with it so long as it is possible and conceivable. The motives are mainly that she holds incredible grudges against her siblings, desperately wants to prove herself more capable than everyone due to being looked down upon as the second child (not to mention sexist remarks), and feels disgusted George would love a servant. That's one possible scenario, unlikely or not, thus it's one episode.
- There's nothing sugesting Eva didn't intend to kill Yasu. She simply survived the attempt and escaped through Kuwadorian. But again, it's a forgery, it's no necessary for that specific event to happen.

(in that order)
- Yasu promised in her letters. It was shown in EP8. Otherwise it would be silly to write the letters and this make it look like what the adults were thinking: Wanting the gold for herself.
- See above why she should kill everyone and risking to go to jail or get killed by the other culprit. Not a safe plan.
- Like I said before, Yasu killed George and Nanjo. This breaks her promise in her letters if Eva solved the epitaph. Breaking the promise kinda cut her ties with Battler who she wished to solve her riddle. Maybe that's why she wrote the """pin""" number on the parlor door? Otherwise, yes, she is neutral what actually happens.
- See above, Rosa was with Eva. If Eva refused to let Rosa see the gold then why should Rosa accept Eva as the new family head? Then there shouldn't be a quarrel about telling the others about the location of the gold. And why should Eva care about the actual gold if a bomb is going to destroy it? And then there is the North Wind and the Sun analogy. Eva served for this because Beatrice has to "help" Battler. So many questions!
- A forgery is a possible "world" where the pieces live. But showing the motivation doesn't make her automatically the culprit. I mean, EP1 print it out in big letters THEY NEED MONEY.
- See above, why should Eva let someone live if they can turn her in? That's why I doubt some of Will's solution because don't connect it right. It shouldn't be "Eva killed Battler and immediately escaped the island because it explains she is the sole survivor.". You know why children asked questions after the bedtime story ended?

Originally posted by Funchal99:

Oh, you're right, I actually forgot about that one. What's inconsistent about it? It's a meta-scene (not part of the actual forgery) meant to break Battler's resolve.

Battler is killed in the parlor. "Kanon" escorted Jessica to the parlor. Beatrice is reduced to her heart by EVA before the parlor. Shannon should be faking her death in the parlor. Mmmh...