culprit episode 8: are there more possabilities ?

[Kynehardt]

George could have killed "Kannon".
Maria could have killed Shannon.

so two of the adults Hideyoshi, Eva and Rosa could be the culprits.
One of the three cannot be a culprit.

Did i miss something?

[Ellixer]

George couldn't have killed Kanon for the obvious reason. Maria couldn't have killed anyone, unless George was the culprit. Because there was no one George could have killed, both of them must be innocent.

[Kynehardt]

Originally posted by Ellixer:

George couldn't have killed Kanon for the obvious reason. Maria couldn't have killed anyone, unless George was the culprit. Because there was no one George could have killed, both of them must be innocent.

Im not really satisfied because Kanon should be treated like he has been killed in red. So there can be a killer. There where even 5 Masterkeys. So George killed "Kanon" because he was not able to kill Shannon. There is no rule that says 2 people cant kill 1 person together.
There is room for interpretation.
I Dont like that.

[Ellixer]

If two people can kill one person together, you can probably open up more room for theories. There is a cleaner solution though.

If it's room for interpretation, the one that tripped me up was whether there was a difference between lying and being wrong. There isn't, for the purpose of this puzzle, but that did create a lot of doubt.

[Sergent H]

If you consider shannon=kanon, then george couldn't have killed Shannon therefore Kannon then he prove Maria innocence

If you don't consider this, both their statement at this end can be false without problems and the mystery can be explain easily :)

"One of the three cannot be a culprit"; at least one....

[mushrooms4free]

There is a rule that says that a culprit can't cooperate with another culprit, which means that two people can't kill one person.

[Sergent H]

Originally posted by mushrooms4free:

There is a rule that says that a culprit can't cooperate with another culprit, which means that two people can't kill one person.

where? The rules are :

The definition of 'culprit' is 'one who murders'.

It is possible for a culprit to lie.

It is possible for a culprit to lie even before committing murder.

Characters who are not culprits only speak the truth.

Characters who are not culprits may not cooperate with a culprit.

A culprit must carry out all murders directly, by their own hands.

A culprit must not die.

A culprit must be among the characters appearing in the story.

Purple statements have the same power as red truth. Only the culprit can lie in purple
statements. (Red in manga only)

Outside of spoken statements, there are no lies in the narration.

I guarantee that it is possible to pinpoint the culprit with this information.

This game is set up so that everybody knows about the connection between Shannon and Kanon. (manga only)

Originally posted by lumatronic:

Im not really satisfied because Kanon should be treated like he has been killed in red. So there can be a killer. There where even 5 Masterkeys. [/quote]

According to the wiki; it is said somewhere in Red : "From now on, Kanon is treated as being killed. Also, Kanon's master key is treated as being destroyed."

[mushrooms4free]

Originally posted by Sergent H:

Characters who are not culprits may not cooperate with a culprit.

Whoops, my bad, I meant this rule. Now that I'm thinking about it more, I can't say with certainty that George couldn't have been the killer. Maybe I'll look into it more at some time.

[Amt]

Late, but I think I have something important to contribute. I don't remember who says it (EVA Beatrice maybe?), but someone says this solution exists as well:

George killed someone outside the island and so, in accordance with the rules, he can lie with the purple truth.
George lied about his parents being dead, and Hideyoshi / Eva killed everyone.

To kind of support this possibility is Maria (who is innocent) because she says that George can't kill an adult, but that he can kill a kid. So, if George killed a kid outside Rokkenjima, it is possible for Eva / Hideyoshi to be the culprits in Bernkastel's game. Bernkastel did not make this a valid solution to the game however.

I'm not going to go into whether or not Maria can be a culprit. I have thought of it, but I got away from it somehow.