Japanese gun = crap?

[Shinviroz]

Ok so how crappy are japanese guns?
i understand it's just a game when you get shot by some thugs in a group fight and you just walk away with some health lowered.
but in the story, Sagawa gets shot in the back by Sera and the next scene Sagawa is torturing Mijama?
Then Sagawa shoots sera in the back but a later Sera's just walking around again.
And now the weak blind girl Makoto is shot in the stomach and she goes through surgery and it was a success?
This is as far as i played so please no spoilers ahead.
But damn, everyone gets shot here and they just live like nothing happened.
Oh yeah, that chinese assassin Gao is supposedly to be a professional but he can't even shoot Makoto in the head or shoot Kiryu properly.
Either remove guns from the storyline or someone tell me japanese guns are pretty weak because of some legal issues?

[Lar Dass]

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>Sagawa got shot in a non fatal area

I just brought the Sagawa thing up in another thread. I can understand him being fine after being shot in the hand...but shot in the lower back as well? No way...he's not strutting around and swinging a bat around after that. It can be "non-fatal" all you want but you're going to be in pain and walking funny and needing rest after that.

I can almost accept Lee-san walking away since they show he's barely hit by the shots...but Sagawa is hit straight in the back...that bullet is messing up some organ or two.

But, whatever, it's a game where you see brutal punches and attacks (love the "neck-break" Heat move) and every guy just gets up and walks away like they just got slapped around a little. So it's not like the game is shooting for complete realism...a lot of action movies and stuff have folks just shrugging off bullets.

Gameplay is usually different from cutscenes, if something in a cutscene happens its serious and real, if its gameplay then just sweep it under the rug, which is why kiryu has never canonically killed anyone even if i shot a guy 20 times with a gun and then shot a cannon ball at his skull
Like i say, sagawa's wound was probably there but likely he was drugged up hence why he could smack majima a few time and give a speech

[Hotel Security]

>Gameplay is usually different from cutscenes,

You can declare this but it's a myth and isn't an excuse.

>which is why kiryu has never canonically killed anyone even if i shot a guy 20 times with a gun and then shot a cannon ball at his skull

Yeah but the game makes a point to show the guys getting up and walking away all injured. So Kiryu clearly didn't kill them...and maybe it means OP is right in that Japanese guns are just lame.

>Like i say, sagawa's wound was probably there but likely he was drugged up hence why he could smack majima a few time and give a speech

I'll buy the "drugged up" thing with Lee since he's young, was only knicked by the gunshots, and is already shown to be a badass. I'm fine with the "young badass shrugs off bullets" since that's a trope in a bunch of things...Kiryu does it later where his two gunshots not only don't slow him down, but the one is his shoulder completely disappears whenever he's shirtless for the rest of the game. That's some fine Chinese medicine.

But not buying it with Sagama with a man in his 50's...he shows no sign of any gunshot. Sera looks like a younger guy, was shot in almost the same place as Sagawa, and is walking with a cane for the rest of the game.

[Shinviroz]

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>Gameplay is usually different from cutscenes,

You can declare this but it's a myth and isn't an excuse.

>which is why kiryu has never canonically killed anyone even if i shot a guy 20 times with a gun and then shot a cannon ball at his skull

Yeah but the game makes a point to show the guys getting up and walking away all injured. So Kiryu clearly didn't kill them...and maybe it means OP is right in that Japanese guns are just lame.

>Like i say, sagawa's wound was probably there but likely he was drugged up hence why he could smack majima a few time and give a speech

I'll buy the "drugged up" thing with Lee since he's young, was only knicked by the gunshots, and is already shown to be a badass. I'm fine with the "young badass shrugs off bullets" since that's a trope in a bunch of things...Kiryu does it later where his two gunshots not only don't slow him down, but the one is his shoulder completely disappears whenever he's shirtless for the rest of the game. That's some fine Chinese medicine.

But not buying it with Sagama with a man in his 50's...he shows no sign of any gunshot. Sera looks like a younger guy, was shot in almost the same place as Sagawa, and is walking with a cane for the rest of the game.

yeah sagawa was my biggest issue.
if cutscenes are different from gameplay, which i agree, then in the CUTSCENE that sagawa gets shot by sera, and the next CUTSCENE sagawa is just fine swinging the baseball bat to torture majima. looks like the writers forgot that he got shot.
rest of the story makes up for it so whatever.

[Hotel Security]

>looks like the writers forgot that he got shot.

Or a case of one cutscene being made before the other. I felt the same when Kiryu's ripping his shirt off after being shot and they didn't even put a bandage on his shoulder...there's just no wound at all. Made me think that cutscene had been made before they added in the part of him getting shot.

[13LACK ORDER]

It's not the gun problem. it's something called plot armor. sometimes it straight one shot kill somebody sometimes it's not depend on the plot really

if you thinnk this is bad wait until you get into yakuza 3/7 where There's certain character who survive a direct head shot. it's not even the bullet didn't hit fatal area. the guy straight up get head shotted and survive without any permanent damage but a scar on his forehead. no brain damage, no getting paralyzed, no amnesia. the dude can still fighting and kicking ass. the story didn't even bother to explain how he surive lmao

[Hotel Security]

>It's not the gun problem. it's something called plot armor.

It's not that they survive...people surviving gunshots has been a thing in action movies for decades. It's there's not even any sign of the wounds in a few cases. Lee and Sera both show bandages and damage done from their wounds. But Kiryu and Sagawa show no signs of even being shot ans worse, Kiryu doesn't even have a wound when he rips his shirt off right after being shot.

So it's more like we could maybe have some consistency. A few characters made sense but some do not.