Hierarchy names

[iBe ImmorTaLiiTy]

So I found out a Patriarch is basically the rank below chairman.. but what is a retainer exactly? Is it like a blood brother or an actual rank? I couldn' t find out on google or go too deep because I do not want to spoil myself.

Thanks in advance!

[iBe ImmorTaLiiTy]

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[xBGLx狂犬]

if you mean ranks lower I think it's actually like this

Chairman (above all)

then Patriarchs of each family

in every family there are captains , lieutenants and ordinary yakuza

[iBe ImmorTaLiiTy]

I'll copy paste a bit about Sagawa so * *SPOILERS** What I mean is this : "Occupations
Owner of Grand Cabaret
Retainer to the 5th Chairman of the Omi Alliance "

Says he is the retainer of the 5th chairman? No idea what Retainer is and was hoping someone oculd shed some light on that.

[xBGLx狂犬]

then he's vassal probably

[dancingstar93]

Not 100% certain on this, but probably means he's basically board level, equivalent of a Tojo clan direct patriarch.

Yakuza organisations in these game (based on the RL yakuza) have an elaborate hierarchy, not just of members but of actual groups. You have top-level groups like the Tojo-kai and Omi-rengo with thousands of members across entire regions of Japan, headed by a "chairman" (kaicho) who's advised by a "board" for want of a better word formed of the "Patriarchs" (kumicho) of the most powerful / numerous / feared / wealthly "families"; at the time of the events of Zero, the Tojo board included Sera, Dojima, possibly Shimano (not 100% sure about when Shimano became a direct patriarch; he was under Dojima earlier in the 1980s according to some of the flashbacks in Yakuza 2) & a bunch of others we don't meet. These families form the second tier & are typically referred to as "Tojo Clan affiliates" in the splash texts where their officers are introduced. EDIT: misquoted from memory, on checking screenshots it rather has "Tojo Clan subsidiary"

Then you have 3rd-tier groups who are subordinate to the "direct" families & whose bosses are typically officers (captain / lieutenant in the translated games) of the direct families; e.g. in Zero Kazama is Dojima's captain & also boss of his own family & the three lieutenants all have their own groups which are named in the splash texts introducing them; there is a discussion between Kiryu & Nishikiyama which establishes that being a rank & file member of a direct family carries more status in the yakuza than being similar rank in a 3rd-tier gang.

The suffix of a yakuza group's name isn't a hard & fast indication of its position in the hierarchy; "-kai" was likely translated "clan" by analogy with "family" in the original game, but there are 2nd and 3rd tier "-kai" groups, like Kuze's Kenno Clan, and IRL the biggest yakuza group is the Yamaguchi-gumi ("kumi / -gumi" being the most common suffix for 2nd & 3rd tier yakuza "families" in the games).

[iBe ImmorTaLiiTy]

Publicado originalmente por dancingstar93:

Not 100% certain on this, but probably means he's basically board level, equivalent of a Tojo clan direct patriarch.

Yakuza organisations in these game (based on the RL yakuza) have an elaborate hierarchy, not just of members but of actual groups. You have top-level groups like the Tojo-kai and Omi-rengo with thousands of members across entire regions of Japan, headed by a "chairman" (kaicho) who's advised by a "board" for want of a better word formed of the "Patriarchs" (kumicho) of the most powerful / numerous / feared / wealthly "families"; at the time of the events of Zero, the Tojo board included Sera, Dojima, possibly Shimano (not 100% sure about when Shimano became a direct patriarch; he was under Dojima earlier in the 1980s according to some of the flashbacks in Yakuza 2) & a bunch of others we don't meet. These families form the second tier & are typically referred to as "Tojo Clan affiliates" in the splash texts where their officers are introduced. EDIT: misquoted from memory, on checking screenshots it rather has "Tojo Clan subsidiary"

Then you have 3rd-tier groups who are subordinate to the "direct" families & whose bosses are typically officers (captain / lieutenant in the translated games) of the direct families; e.g. in Zero Kazama is Dojima's captain & also boss of his own family & the three lieutenants all have their own groups which are named in the splash texts introducing them; there is a discussion between Kiryu & Nishikiyama which establishes that being a rank & file member of a direct family carries more status in the yakuza than being similar rank in a 3rd-tier gang.

The suffix of a yakuza group's name isn't a hard & fast indication of its position in the hierarchy; "-kai" was likely translated "clan" by analogy with "family" in the original game, but there are 2nd and 3rd tier "-kai" groups, like Kuze's Kenno Clan, and IRL the biggest yakuza group is the Yamaguchi-gumi ("kumi / -gumi" being the most common suffix for 2nd & 3rd tier yakuza "families" in the games).

Thank you. I got a lot more understanding now how it works. You the man!