Is this game censored?

[Gentleman]

The subject.

[B Unit]

Originally posted by iemander:

Originally posted by Ztarman:

Why do people (or should I say pervs) always ask this stupid question? The game is uncensored which is why it was released on Steam in the first by IFI themselves.

They avoided localizing the game on Vita because they didn't want to censor it and the Asia ENG release was done by Sony Computer Entertainment Asia which is what the PC port is based off.

It is censored and there are uncensor patches released for games all the time, not a stupid question at all. Although it's a little early to ask for the uncensor patches as the game is only just released.

It might take awhile for the community to make them, if the game is even popular enough.

...even if a patch could get rid of the stars or whatever, pretty sure it'd just be barbie doll underneath since I sincerly doubt the artist drew genitalia to begin with.

[Ztarman]

Originally posted by iemander:

Originally posted by Ztarman:

Why do people (or should I say pervs) always ask this stupid question? The game is uncensored which is why it was released on Steam in the first by IFI themselves.

They avoided localizing the game on Vita because they didn't want to censor it and the Asia ENG release was done by Sony Computer Entertainment Asia which is what the PC port is based off.

It is censored and there are uncensor patches released for games all the time, not a stupid question at all. Although it's a little early to ask for the uncensor patches as the game is only just released.

It might take awhile for the community to make them, if the game is even popular enough.

It is NOT censored even if the Nude Flashes contain hearts to cover up lewd bits. Censoring would be if IFI themselves added/removed a bunch of crap from its original release which isn't the case.

Idea Factory themselves added the hearts and it makes sense since this is a VITA release where over the top nudity is usually prohibited. They didn't even localize the game for Vita version since it would get a AO rating which console manufactures and stores don't like.

[Harry]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-censorship

It is self-censored. Even if you avoid something rather than edit it later. Another example of self-censorship would be newscasters avoiding profane language on live television.

[Onzefo]

It's only censorship in the way people are asking about if a third party meddles with the original artistic intent. The original intent from the beginning was to have hearts covering some non-existing lady bits. If CH and IF had intended to make and release a game with more risque bits and were told to change it, that'd be meddling. If they listened and did change it, that'd be self censorship. If they released it and someone else changed it during a localization or something, that'd be more standard fare censorship.

This game exists in it's original condition with the original artistic intent intact. This game has not been censored. The hearts are no more censorship than the mosiac blurs in The Sims when people are taking showers or peeing. There's nothing actually under it being covered up... unless people in the sims universe legitimately all pee into their pants and THE MAN doesn't want you to know.

If you removed the hearts, you'd be modding in nudity. And not only that, you'd technically be censoring the hearts, which are a joke graphic intended to tease for fun. Don't get me wrong, I hate censorship as much as anyone else. It's high handed and meddlesome. But this game is in no way altered save for the language, and such a release should be praised. Lets try not to scare future devs away from us by appearing impossible to please.

If you wanna stretch censorship to include any clothing, any wall between you and someone else, anything at all that puts itself in front of possible boobs.. then censorship as a word loses it's usefulness all to-gether.

Disclaimer: Tone is lost in text, if any of this sounds aggressive or mean, that is not my intent and I apologize.

Edit: Type-o.

[Harry]

I'm sorry, but you're wrong. Even unconscious censorship exists and censorship is not always a negative thing in the way that you're saying it is. The hearts aren't an outfit, they act as a fog to obscure what most assume is a nude body (whether an artist "drew in the bits" or not).

[Onzefo]

The hearts in this case more or less 'are' an outfit, functionally. They serve a similar pupose to a bikini or underwear outfit. They show skin but leave room for the imaginattion. It's a design, not an obstruction. Any percieved censorship on someone's part is imagined and no artist should need to account for that, as it should be their call at the end of the day. It'd be like imagining a nipple on a character's forehead behind their bangs and insisting that nipple is censored by the hair, regardless of whether it's actually there or not. In either that case or in Moero's case.. there was never a nipple in the first place.. so how can it be censored? Looking for it doesn't make it exist.

Unless of course you wanna see barbie doll flesh. I will concede the barbie bits are covered, but again, that's no more censorship than hiding the fact sims pee in their pants.

[Harry]

Semantics aside (you and I certainly have different opinions on the definition, I align more with the thoughts of Noam Chomsky), I would guess that OP was asking about the censorship nudity in the game. When talking about nudity, people generally equate censored to any obstruction of nudity, artist's original intention or not.

And just a bit of trivia, you can remove the blur in the sims games, i.e. uncensor the sims.

[Onzefo]

Yeah, I take more of an intent stance on this. I see censorship as a detractment from the artistic intent of a work for any reason. Kinda like.. the hearts hide bare skin, but exist to imply functional sexual characteristics without showing them. Remove the hearts and the illusion is broken, thus damaging the artistic intent. Further editing, say, adding the bits, would be straying yet further from the vision, as they were only meant to be implied.

I do get what you're saying. That the act of not drawing them in the first place is subconcous pandering to accepted norms, in a way? So, in a way, pre-emptive censoring what could have been. As one wouldn't swear on a radio show, one wouldn't draw nipples on a vita release.
You can correct me if my understanding is wrong.

We just disagree on where the line is. Which is fine.

Edit: Type-o. x2

[Harry]

Witness, Steam. We have settled our differences without resorting to trolling. Different opinions are fine. Now we can fade out as the eternal war continues.

[Onzefo]

Good discussion. Understandings reached. *fades out*

[Gentleman]

Thanks to everyone for the replies

Originally posted by Harry:

…I would guess that OP was asking about the censorship nudity in the game. When talking about nudity, people generally equate censored to any obstruction of nudity, artist's original intention or not.

To clarify, by “censorship” I meant removal/alteration of the game’s original content. Not any obstructions to nudity that were in the game to begin with. Though I would've prefered "Barbie doll anatomy" to obstructions like hearts, beams of light, etc.

By the way…

Originally posted by Ztarman:

Idea Factory themselves added the hearts and it makes sense since this is a VITA release where over the top nudity is usually prohibited. They didn't even localize the game for Vita version since it would get a AO rating which console manufactures and stores don't like.

…I must admit, I don't understand this part Are there nude and non-nude versions of this game, and Steam release is based on non-nude one?

[Ztarman]

Originally posted by Kasumi Tani:

…I must admit, I don't understand this part :frigideer::questionmark: Are there nude and non-nude versions of this game, and Steam release is based on non-nude one?

There's only 1 version of the game which always included the hearts. The Steam version is just a Vita port which which doesn't allow for R-18 content in the first place.

[Gentleman]

Originally posted by Ztarman:

There's only 1 version of the game which always included the hearts. The Steam version is just a Vita port which which doesn't allow for R-18 content in the first place.

Ah, I see. Thanks for clarifying.

[iemander]

Originally posted by Onzefo:

Yeah, I take more of an intent stance on this. I see censorship as a detractment from the artistic intent of a work for any reason. Kinda like.. the hearts hide bare skin, but exist to imply functional sexual characteristics without showing them. Remove the hearts and the illusion is broken, thus damaging the artistic intent. Further editing, say, adding the bits, would be straying yet further from the vision, as they were only meant to be implied.

I do get what you're saying. That the act of not drawing them in the first place is subconcous pandering to accepted norms, in a way? So, in a way, pre-emptive censoring what could have been. As one wouldn't swear on a radio show, one wouldn't draw nipples on a vita release.
You can correct me if my understanding is wrong.

We just disagree on where the line is. Which is fine.

Edit: Type-o. x2

Two questions tho

1. Why do you think the artist wanted the censorship? More likely he was just following rules and regulations?

2. What's the difference between this and censorship in henta?

[MeltingPotOfFriendship]

Originally posted by iemander:

Originally posted by Onzefo:

Yeah, I take more of an intent stance on this. I see censorship as a detractment from the artistic intent of a work for any reason. Kinda like.. the hearts hide bare skin, but exist to imply functional sexual characteristics without showing them. Remove the hearts and the illusion is broken, thus damaging the artistic intent. Further editing, say, adding the bits, would be straying yet further from the vision, as they were only meant to be implied.

I do get what you're saying. That the act of not drawing them in the first place is subconcous pandering to accepted norms, in a way? So, in a way, pre-emptive censoring what could have been. As one wouldn't swear on a radio show, one wouldn't draw nipples on a vita release.
You can correct me if my understanding is wrong.

We just disagree on where the line is. Which is fine.

Edit: Type-o. x2

Two questions tho

1. Why do you think the artist wanted the censorship? More likely he was just following rules and regulations?

2. What's the difference between this and censorship in henta?

At the risk of sounding like a dong, a quick internet search would tell you quite a bit.

To paraphrase another poster here. If the game was released and showed the naughty bits, it would have attracted an AO rating, which makes most publishers run back to their safe spaces and curl up in a ball with their gaming mediocrity and cash-grabs.

Aside from that, the censorship in this game doesn't ruin it I think. Criminal Girls US vita release had deliberate censorship by the publishers because: "♥♥♥♥ you, you gaijin american piggu weebs will buy it anyways because we are showing you sexy girls!" Though they weren't above telling fans that they could add in the content they "had" to take out. Since steam is pretty lax on adult content, it made people feel like it was a cop-out to avoid taking the time to re-add the content(remember this was a direct port, so they more or less used that an excuse). Though the hardcore NISA fans freaked and went:"UGH BE GRATEFULL THAT THEY PUT THIS PORT ON STEAM YOU ENTITLES TURDS!"

Full trasparancy: I own the game, but am waiting for the mods of it before I jump in.

Also this censorship differs from hentai because in hentai, there is actual things/acts transpiring. Add to the fact that in JP showing the poop chute, pingas. and lady hole are more or less cultural, societal, and governmental taboos. If memory serves, censors on JP media is really more governmental because JP is super-conservative. Hence why you see fan and official drawings getting that fun mosaic over all the fun parts.

Aside from that Compile Heart is a niche dev, so they make these games knowing who buys them. It would hurt their business model if they weren't able to make ecchi/fanservice games. That would be like NATO telling the US to stop making porn and making it illegal. That really wouldn't happen because these are million/billion dollar industries.


tl;dr: MC's censoring doesn't hurt it. If it was legit censored, the rubbing mechanic would have been replaced with just having the monster girl join you after you stripped off their clothes.