Secret of Mana

Secret of Mana

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Wirrling Feb 9, 2018 @ 11:03am
I'd rather have Secret of Evermore back.
Seriously...it had the better Setting and the better magic System.
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That would be the next game I'd like to see... If mana does well on steam, perhaps they would consider it.
maestro Feb 10, 2018 @ 8:18am 
Originally posted by the Winter Warlock:
That would be the next game I'd like to see... If mana does well on steam, perhaps they would consider it.

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This.

I think that Mana is more of a test market. They decided to take one of the most famous games of the SNES era and decided to re-release it, to see if there's a market for this kind of thing, and if it does well, then they might go "Hmm, maybe there IS money in this afterall..." and then do the same for SD3, SoE, etc.

And yes, I would love to see SoE re-done, with some of the bugs fixed, and perhaps some re-balancing (leveling alchemy took way too long, for example).

I'd like to see SD3 redone and improved (I found the original a bit offputting because they changed the combat too much from Mana/SoE), I keep hearing how awesome its story is, but I can't get past the combat.

And then of course, we're still waiting on Chrono Trigger. I think everything else from the SNES days have been remastered except CT, SoE, and SD3.

Well, ok, stuff like Bahamut Lagoon, not so much but eh. Maybe someday......
Gunay Feb 10, 2018 @ 1:32pm 
Yeah i hope they will bring Secret of evermore back to on Steam, this game is much maybe 20x times better then mana, it has better graphics and music also story line the whole game far away more superrior!
maestro Feb 10, 2018 @ 1:35pm 
That's an exaggeration IMO. Yes, SoE had things it did better than SoM, but yet there were also things it didn't do better. For one, plot. The plot of the game was a cheap B-movie thing, and I get that was intentional, but eh. IMO, nobody played SoE for its engrossing deep plot. SoM at least had something there.

I didn't like the fact you had to buy all the resources for your spells and that most spells were hilariously weak until you powered them up (which required hours of grinding money) and even then, the severe imbalance in weapons made some weapons (the swords!!!) overpowered to the extreme if you used a Lv2 charge attack (you can hit a boss 2-3 times for more damage than most spells can do), or how about throwing the spear for equivalent damage?

And don't get me started on the overpowered bazooka or even the last dog form. Game balance was not a strong suit of SoE either. Now they did make character movement faster which was a plus, they refined and tweaked SoM's hit detection though some enemies in SoE presented problems of their own (winged skulls, anyone?).

They were both awesome games in their own ways, each specializing in their own thing. I would not say, though, that either game is significantly better than the other.
W.A. the Anum Feb 10, 2018 @ 3:49pm 
i actually wish they would bring back SOE coz its for the most peopel even unknown or a underrated gem in the shadow from SOM, sadly. ONE thing i wish is that ,IF SOE would come out anew, they build in a 2 player mode, that was the only thing missing in the original.
maestro Feb 10, 2018 @ 3:55pm 
Originally posted by W.A. the Anum:
i actually wish they would bring back SOE coz its for the most peopel even unknown or a underrated gem in the shadow from SOM, sadly. ONE thing i wish is that ,IF SOE would come out anew, they build in a 2 player mode, that was the only thing missing in the original.

Yeah, it could have been cool to have someone control the Dog. Though.. perhaps a bit overpowered when you get to the space station, because Dear Lord, what were they thinking when they made Toaster Dog? lol. "Here, let's remove all the challenge from the game now." or something.

I suppose it'd be slightly harder if you didn't have infinite ammo for the Bazooka (I assume they would fix that bug in a remake), but still. You just switch to the dog and blast everything while the kid stands around and does nothing.

I will have to say though, that the dog's attacks (Toaster Dog notwithstanding) are rather difficult to time properly. I've messed around trying to control the dog a few times... not sure how fun that would actually be until you get to the station.

As for SoE not being well-known enough, well... that's why you talk about it on message boards, encourage your friends to try it on Emulator, etc. BSNES (and its descendant that requires a ridiculously powerful computer) runs it 99.999% perfect, and that's saying something because I remember back before BSNES came out, nothing would play its sound properly.
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Zunnoab #931 Feb 10, 2018 @ 3:58pm 
Sadly I admit when I played Secret of Evermore I was so freaked out by the alchemy ingredients system I almost entirely avoided using magic in fear of running out...
maestro Feb 10, 2018 @ 4:03pm 
Originally posted by Zunnoab #931:
Sadly I admit when I played Secret of Evermore I was so freaked out by the alchemy ingredients system I almost entirely avoided using magic in fear of running out...

It is entirely possible to play most of the game without ever using any "magic".... in fact that's how I normally do my playthrough, at least up until you get Crush.

Crush is such a cheap and easy spell, and you can make profit by leveling it by casting it on the winged skulls right outside that city in the desert where you do the trading (which will also get you a lot of levelups because the XP you get from killing them is insane). Buy all the materials you can afford, go there and cast Crush until it's Lv1-2 then you can cast on 3 enemies at once and still kill them. Go back down to the guy in the cave who sells the ingredients, and rinse, repeat. You make more money than you do spending to buy the ingredients. Once you get Lv9 Crush, you have a very powerful weapon that will last you until the Space Station. It works on the infamous Rat on the Crates, it works on the Dragon on the tower, it works on the Puppet boss, it works on everything lol.

Other than Crush and the first Healing spell, and the remove status spells.... I never found a need for magic. That is, until you get to the space station and get that spell that charges your charge meter. Then you use that to whomp the last boss in 30 seconds or less by repeatedly nailing it with Lv2 Neutron Blade Charge.
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Zunnoab #931 Feb 10, 2018 @ 4:10pm 
I had so little knowledge of what I was doing I recall being in a stalemate with the final boss for ages until winning for a reason I didn't fully understand. I really should replay that game some day. I only did so once.
maestro Feb 10, 2018 @ 4:13pm 
You should! It's a lot of fun. The beginning of the game is slow, so very slow and I think that's off-putting to some people.

The game is also sadly a victim of poor balance, where stronger/later enemies give less XP than earlier/easier enemies. For example, at the beginning of the game, those jumping snails give 20xp. But, you go past this area and down into Bugmuck and nothing gives 20xp down there. Unless you're watching your XP/kill, you wouldn't know that.

Other games (Breath of Fire series was lousy for this) did that same stupid crap. Harder/Later Enemies should give more XP. Plain and simple.
*D4rKsKy* Feb 10, 2018 @ 6:56pm 
This game deserves more attention.
Better the mana in my opinion.
Sephaël Feb 10, 2018 @ 7:49pm 
Originally posted by the Winter Warlock:
That would be the next game I'd like to see... If mana does well on steam, perhaps they would consider it.

I doubt it, Secret of Evermore is a stand alone that has nothing to do with the Seiken Densetsu IP (secret of mana original title is Seiken Densetsu 2).
Secret of Evermore was developped in USA for the western audiance (US and EU) and was never released in Japan.
Since they remade the first Seiken Densetsu, 2 years ago; now they are about to release the second in few days; if they plan on continuing, the next game should be Seiken Densestu 3.
maestro Feb 10, 2018 @ 8:05pm 
But yet if we show SE that we like seeing old classics return, who knows. They know fans have been asking for more Chrono Trigger, and if that ever got remade, then I'm pretty sure that not counting Japanese-Only games, SoE would be the only RPG that Square(Enix) has that has not been redone/remastered in any way. All of the others, the entire Final Fantasy line, SD1, SD2, pretty much the whole shebang has been re-released by now. Except SD3, CT, and SoE. And some other side titles like Bahamut Lagoon.
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