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I know what "objective" means. As I said, it wouldn't effect me a bit if they were to release an 18+ patch. It would be a nice addition for those who wants to have their sex scenes.
Also, I know that it'll sound too forced, but wouldn't not spending time and money on this version of the game mean you think this version is worthless?
Only for its older version. There are no patches for the Steam version, though I guarentee it's patchable as I can edit the scenario files with the programs I have. With upscaling the CGs a bit and altering the scenario files, it's possible to make a restoration patch for Tomoyo After's Steam version.
https://vndb .org/p24
2014? Are you sure you're talking about Key? Mind you, Key and VisualArts are not the exact same companies. Key is their subpart. There aren't any eroges that Key released in 2014. And LB is a Key game. Though sorry, it should have been 8 years, not a decade.
I said almost and I haven't played Air and Kanon fully yet, so can't comment on them. Only watched their anime adaptations.
Each company has their own principles and minori just thought of releasing an 18+ patch, so what's the big deal? Key could've done the same, yeah, but they didn't.
Also, I'm kinda sure it was actually thanks to Mangagamer we have that patch, since I doubt a "gaijin hater" like minori would think for their Western fans' good.
If LB was, by any chance, released by Mangagamer actually and not VisualArts themselves, we could have had a restoration patch already.
Sex is a fitting plot element for their stories and they were intended to have sex. G-Senjou's story features mafia and Grisaia's features assassins and underground crews. Featuring sex was the idea from the beginning for these titles, you know. AkabeiSoft2 and Frontwing are companies that tend to combine sex with plot almost all the time. Some of their titles are really great, regardless that they contain sex or not.
Key however is going all-ages for a long time, even in Japan. It's not hard to see that they'd follow the same path in the West too.
While I'm yet to play Grisaia, I've heard that they have butchered so many parts just because they contain mild nudity. So, in a sense, some of the nude parts of Grisaia are a bit of a cornerstone of its plot. Not sure though, since I don't know Grisaia well.
I'm not deciding for you, I'm presenting you a credible opinion as someone who has played all versions of LB!, including LB!EX, except for LB!PE. If you claim the opposite, just hook up LB!EX and see it for yourself. If you don't understand Japanese not much or not at all, play it with a text hooker like chiitrans, VNR, or ITH etc. Key won't be releasing a restoration patch anytime soon, so you have other options too instead of demanding a patch.
I have played LB!EX and I can clearly state that the writing of its sex scenes are not really good. Art for those scenes aren't bad, I agree, but the writing is the part that sucks for me. It feels too forced and out of character, really. And that Sha La La Ecstasy music in the background... You'd laugh at it more than you'd enjoy it.
Eroge derives from erochikku geemu (erotic game), so any Japanese visual novel that has explicit sex scenes in it could be labeled as "eroge". So, yeah, their games are nakige, but at the same time, some of their games are eroge as well.
No, it means that it's not worth my time and money given my personal preferences.
Worthless on the other hand means that it's worth nothing for anyone.
Well, VN are hardly the most sophisticated pieces of software. Did the engine changed between the original and Steam Version ?
https://vndb.org/r35173
Released 2014-09-26
Age rating 18+
Developer Key
Publisher Key
What's left except the untranslated Kud Wafter ?
Yeah, precisely, Little Busters.
so we can say without exagerating that Air, Kanon and Tomoyo are "almost all of key's adult games".
There's a lot of production about the mafia or assassins that don't feature sex.
I haven't read G Senjou, but you can remove the sex scene from Grisaia and from a lot of VN without losing any story relevent content. You're not even forced to show porn or nudity to make the reader know that two or more character had sex.
Sex fitting the plot is an excuse.
When taken seriously, it generally end up as cheap tropes like :
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AliensMadeThemDoIt
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MateOrDie
While I won't deny that it can be amusing, this is certainly not required.
Just stop the hypocrisy.
So that's it ? The original intention ?
Would your opinion have changed if the first release was the 18+ ?
What does it make of the new routes of this "perfect" edition ? Aren't they added content ?
I have totally missed that one, sorry.
I still know Air and Kanon's plot. It's just that I didn't play their VNs yet so I can't comment on their sex scenes and whether the transition is good or not.
Of course there will be productions about mafia or assassins that don't feature sex. It's just that, sex in stories in an environment as... you know, fishy/explicit as these stories' environment, it wouldn't feel out-of-place. Of course, that also depends on how the writer(s) describe the environment. Not all assassin/mafia environments should contain sex, as you said. AkabeiSoft2 and Frontwing take the approach to show sex most of the time though.
In LB's case, I can't bring myself to think that sex wouldn't feel odd. Sure, there are really a couple of sexual innuendos and ecchi-ish scenes in LB but those scenes were for the gags. For a story that implies how strong would a bond of friendship be and to which extent one could sacrifice for the sake of friendship, sex feels "impure".
I know that I make myself look like a "Sex is wrong. All those who enjoy sex should perish" guy, but it's not the case. It just feels wrong to me to have sex in such a story after finishing the whole game. But yeah, you're right, it's just me and my hypocrisy.
My opinion wouldn't have changed if the first release was the 18+. I've liked the story a lot and thanks to the 18+ version, I have one of my favorite characters, Saya Tokido. I've loved her route too and I'd want to make an FPS adaptation of that route in the future.
Perfect Edition is, as the name implies, the most revised version that also includes EX routes. EX routes are an addition, a cherry on top, but the thing is they removed the sex scenes in the latest version and I think that's what matters (though there is a sexual implication at the end of Saya's route if I'm not wrong).
Take Tomoyo After Perfect Edition you mentioned for example. Yeah, companies, especially Japanese ones, don't really care about labeling etc. But whilst they removed sex from LB Perfect Edition (just like they did with the Memorial Edition), they have decided to keep the sex in Tomoyo After Perfect Edition (unlike its Memorial Edition). They have even updated the CGs if I'm not mistaken. I believe, that is the Tomoyo After's perfect image for Key, so I respect that.
It's way too tame.
I also don't understand why they had to cut out part of the screen where Komaris panties are visible during a scene in the clubroom.
Might as well just cut out the kissing text while you're at it if you just want the game to be for literal toddlers.
yes I do want the context, thats why I'm asking.
It's sex for the sake of being sex, it's not well written in my honest opinion.
That panty censoring thing is apparent in other VNs too sadly (G-Senjou no Maou is a good example) and I'm angry about it as well, but you can't just blame the developers for this. Blame Steam for being an overly hardass to VN developers. Many VN developers received warnings due to "nudity". Key is just playing safe to keep a low profile.
Don't get me wrong by the way. I won't say no to a restoration patch, and hopefully they'll release a patch in the future. But LB wasn't about h-scenes in the first place, it's all about the story of the importance of friendship. H-scenes are just a cherry on the top in LB. They're really well-drawn though, that I can't deny.
How about no?
There are several games with much more explicit graphics that are allowed to exist on Steam, so what you're saying is just an excuse. Which would make it veeeeeery interesting to ask why those games are fine but Little Busters isn't. If My Heart Had Wings had been blatantly butchered by MoeNovel for the same reason, so there's hard evidence that point to the devs and publishers being behind this.
Then I have nothing more to say to you.
I said “at the very least”. As long as you have some basic knowledge in Japanese, understand what you hear a little, with the help of machine translation, you should be able to get the gist of it. Machine translation is obviously not good but better than nothing, yeah?
And I ask you, why would developers butcher their games purposefully? Even they should know that fans would be mad about it. I'm aware that games like Saints Row IV or Postal 2 is out there on Steam, which features explicit violence and sexuality and am irritated by the fact that only VNs get to be butchered due to excuses like “Ew, it's too pornographic” as well. But Steam is obviously not VN-friendly. I hope you have heard of the warnings they have given to VN developers lately. Even HuniePop was facing removal from the store due to “sexual content”. If Key, MoeNovel etc. want to sell their games on Steam, they need to be in the safe zone. I know, presenting optional restoration patch is an option, but they don't take that route for now obviously so talking about it is really unnecessary. As long as we get VNs on Steam, sexual content is really a small fee to pay.
MoeNovel went way beyond any "safezone" and straight out killed IMHW with their messed up censorship. And it's not the only case devs or publishers did either.
Keep talking like that and someday it won't just be that that gets cut. And you're not speaking for everyone, least of all for me. I'd appreciate if you didn't decide what's a small price and what isn't on my behalf.