Yomawari: Midnight Shadows

Yomawari: Midnight Shadows

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pythonfp Oct 29, 2017 @ 10:34am
About the plot (spoilers, only for those who have finished the game)
Many points of the plot are quite oblivious. It could be useful if anyone shared their point of view on various scenes.

In the beginning, Yui goes to the mountain to bury one of her dogs. There, a tutorial pops up leading to a most unexpected conclusion.
From what I learned about Yui, her father is dead and her mother has some mental illness making Yui all the more lonely. Her friendship with Haru was what kept her somewhat happy, until she learned Haru was soon to leave town...
Could it be that the mount-god (the end boss) influenced Yui to commit suicide ? For no apparent reason a bridge breaks separating Yui from her remaining dog, isolating the girl and tipping the balance to her demise.
Moreover, when Yui finally realizes she's dead, she's confused : she can't remember how she died. Was she totally conscious on what she was doing when she hung herself ?

After the fireworks, Yui is attacked by Mr Kotowari (the scissors spirit). Then Yui for some reason is sent through various places being in fact haunting spots for evil spirits (the cursed mirror in the library, the haunted mansion with its poltergeist/evil pillar and a scrapyard/rubbish dump with a bleeding female ghost).
Could it be since Yui was recently dead, each time she losed focus/consciousness she was attracted to these various places like a leaf in the wind ?

Most surprisingly, Haru encounters Mr Kotowari in several of these places despite the town being quite large.
Could it be Mr Kotowari was stalking deliberately Haru since the moment it disposed of Yui ? How ? Could it be it sensed the strong friendship between Haru and Yui and wanted at all cost to "cut" it, considering a living being shall not remain that much attached to a ghost ?

When Yui returns to the mountain, she seems to gradually forget what she is doing until she loses consciousness. When Haru at last finds her friend, she has become an evil spirit probably corrupted by the mount-god (black mass with eyes). When in the "spider" nest, despite Haru defeating the mount-god, Yui still remains an evil spirit until Mr Kotowari is summoned by Haru. Does that mean the bond between the two girls was so strong that the mount-god still had some way to keep control on Yui using the "red strings" ? These strings were everywhere in its den, it was even the only thing that kept this despicable abomination in one piece...

Also, the pair of scissors given by Mr Kotowari were indispensable in helping Haru in her quest. In other words, Mr Kotowari is clearly the nemesis of the mount-god. Could it be in the past, people plagued by the mount-god wished for a way to get rid of its influence, leading them to create a shrine, and in the long run their beliefs gave birth to Mr Kotowari ?

On a last note, the scene i found the most heartbreaking in the game was when Yui helped Haru return to the world of the livings and Haru had to DELIBERATELY let go of her friend, meaning she had to finally accept they'll never see each other again. The lives of these two girls ruined by a pile of malice... urgh.
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DICLONIUS Oct 29, 2017 @ 1:58pm 
I don't quite when and how exactly Yui dies, its 100% in the day of fireworks.
Or she dies before and i dont get something?
pythonfp Oct 29, 2017 @ 2:31pm 
Keep in mind every chapters in the game are like in the first game, named in chronological order : dusk to dawn.
In my opinion, Yui was already dead when she went to the fireworks. Remember when Haru came to her house and rang, she did not see Yui appearing and approaching her and got frightened. Ominously, Yui asked her : did I scare you ?
Later Haru couldn't believe she was already dead, explaining right after the fireworks when they held hands, it was still "warm". Maybe since her death was recent and their bond was still strong, Yui could remain visible and tangible despite being a ghost.
Last edited by pythonfp; Oct 29, 2017 @ 2:31pm
yes and .yui is already dead before firworks. yui has a unhappy family.and you can check the 絵馬(a small wood writing wishes) in Mr Kotowari's shrine.there are 3 wishes that are wrote in very very negative words,and from the contents we suppose these wishes were wrote by yui.Now yui has two different moods.one is very negative that after haru decide to move and dog's death,yui feel hopeless,and yui also feel hopeful to go on her live(<--see the letter left before ending,but not majority).then mountain-god urged yui to death by her hopeless.and left a fake(actually wrote by mount-god,Or wrote by yui but not from her real heart,just by guidance of mountgod,this need research im not sure).

the bridge must be destroy.if you have played all 2 games.you will realize DOG is a powerful part of the game,dog prevent harmful thing happen to its master.and two mount-god killed the dog the FIRST TIME.or the dog will stop mountgod's evil plan.

Could it be Mr Kotowari was stalking deliberately Haru?Hmmmmm...actually what i suppose is ,i remember in the 1st game , everyone in the town knows spirits appears in the night.so people do not go out of home in night.And as the only person in the street ,Mr Kotowari has no difficulty finding her.i don't think he is stalking.

the mount god do control yui .but in my opinion,just using her negative downside.yui feel in both negative and positive.but negative is majority , they promised to be together forever.mountgod used this promise on yui. and attract haru to death.but yui remains positive,she didn't want to harm haru.and i suppose mountgod once use yui to kill haru but failed.

"Mr Kotowari is clearly the nemesis of the mount-god?","and in the long run their beliefs gave birth to Mr Kotowari ? " nemesis? i don't find the evidence.... but gave belief maybe right, the evidence is the built of the dam(water reservoirs),this made the road to Kotowari's shrine been cut off. Kotowari lost offerings and believes from people.and the giant symbol in his shrine coverd with trash. and another tip for Nemesis---- is the wound in mountgod's left arm.you can check it,it's obvious and unusual . such a gaint wound should be made by Kotowari the last time<----when yui saved haru before,but i do not think they are nemesis,it is because YUI called "i can't stand anymore",so Kotowari attacked mountgod.

and i have a wild assumption,that giant symbol in Kotowari's shrine maybe is a target or food for kotowari.Kotowari is cutting the symbol all the time,but the symbol is full of power.so Kotowari can not cut it into pieces(Kotowari will feel good in cutting things?).This maybe a purpose that stop kotowari run out of shrine to cut everything?just my assumption..but with trashes coverd the symbol,and Kotowari run out and wondering in the town.

and at last,for ghost yui.yes yui didn't change to a ghost immediately,after time passes she finally turn to a ghost.but in my opinion,maybe here is a misunderstanding,in my research,the GHOSTS or SPIRITS in the game CAN TOUCH YOU.example,it can kill you,or it can push you(there is a ghost in street will pushing you move but not harm you),but normal people can not touch them.this explains why YUI can help HARU to go out in the end.And why yui is already dead but can hold haru's hand after the firwork.and that is yui's left hand,and that is haru's left hand<---the connection between them,the hand that must be cut.
Last edited by 秋月真理奈(油桶专搬); Oct 30, 2017 @ 1:15am
An important detail that I think can easily be missed is the fact that the girls had encountered the mountain god before. Prior too the game the mountain god had kidnapped Haru and Yui went too save her, and its implied that as a result this is how her dog Kuro died. Haru doesnt remember this likely because she mentally blocked out the whole event. It also seems to be implied that the mountain god did trick Yui into killing herself (much like he tried with Haru). So yeah, Yui was already dead on the night of the fireworks.
The red strings in the mountain gods layer are called Red Strings of Fate. The string in japanese folklore is basically a string that connects two people and can never be broken. The string obviously connects Haru and Yui, and Haru cutting the strings at the end was basically her cutting off the lasting connection with Yui. Im not entirely up on my knowledge of how this stuff works, but im fairly certain the reason the connection had to be cut is because they had Haru in a limbo between the living world and afterlife because Yui is dead. Her cutting the strings was pretty much her accepting the fact and moving on, similar to how Yui lets go of Haru's (remaining) hand at the end is Yui moving on as well.
Also another interesting thing too note is that the reason Haru lost her hand is because its the hand she had Yui hold on the night of the fireworks. Im pretty sure since Yui is already a spirit in that scene it meant that them holding hands was another thing that "connected" them. That is why Mr. Katowari severed both the last of the strings and Haru's hand (the one the strings were wrapping around). Another thing too note is that Katowari basically means "rejection" in japanese.
pythonfp Oct 30, 2017 @ 10:18am 
Originally posted by ☆OrdinaryMagician☆:
An important detail that I think can easily be missed is the fact that the girls had encountered the mountain god before.

Thank you, that's one of the points I missed. When you take control of Yui, when you check her diary, you realize most of the pages are missing. It is clear the notes found in every corner of the town and its surroundings are the missing pages. Has anyone found all the notes to reveal what happened to Yui prior to the events of the game ?
pythonfp Oct 30, 2017 @ 10:28am 
Originally posted by MinagiCN:

and i have a wild assumption,that giant symbol in Kotowari's shrine maybe is a target or food for kotowari.Kotowari is cutting the symbol all the time,but the symbol is full of power.so Kotowari can not cut it into pieces(Kotowari will feel good in cutting things?).This maybe a purpose that stop kotowari run out of shrine to cut everything?just my assumption..but with trashes coverd the symbol,and Kotowari run out and wondering in the town.

Yeah, everything you said in your post makes sense. And i share exactly the same impression about the symbol in the shrine, it must be a way to keep Mr Kotowari under control.
My perspective on the story/ending, but i could be wrong. It's not much different from your interpretation.

Yui was influenced by the spider god into killing herself in the tutorial of the game. Even with all the hardships Yui faced, she still managed to squeeze hope and wanted to keep writing letters to Haru. She would have lived if not for the spider god at the top of the mountain. Haru was still haunted by Yui in the afterlife because of their strong connection and her refusal to break away. Mr Kotowari (Kotowari means reject) existed as a neutral entity to sever the ties between Haru and Yui as Haru shouldn't still be connected to Yui. Red strings are known as red strings of fate in Japan and cannot be cut. Yui and Haru were binded by fate and this would ultimately lead to Haru's death.

The spider god at the top of the mountain does not have any relation to the mountain god in the first yomwari (but i could be wrong). People have theorized that the spider god was a being formed by feelings hatred and jealousy from those who have taken their own life and exists to persuade living beings to take their own life. Haru was the next target after Yui and she was eventually going to die until she was saved by Mr Kotowari, who shows up and cuts off her arm.(which was the necessary sacrifice as she was so deeply connected to Yui) Haru's arm was pretty significant because it was the arm she used to hold Yui's hand and torch throughout the game (Haru was actually using Yui's torch the entire game).

I don't necessarily think Mr Kotowari really intended on wanting to cut Haru and Yui's strings to save Haru (he is a neutral entity after all) but moreso because it's just Haru shouldn't be connected with Yui in the first place. Mr Kotowari wanted to cut Haru's connection to Yui throughout the game but Haru was too clever (or perhaps her feelings to cling to Yui were too strong) and managed to dodge Kotowari many times.

Kotowari is the "yomwari" of this game as he plays the same role as the Yomawari did in the first game since they kidnapped you and brought you to the factory because the factory wasn't under the influence of the mountain god.
DICLONIUS Nov 1, 2017 @ 2:21pm 
Hm in that case, can anyone explain why Haru said, that Yui's hand was warm in the day of Fireworks?
And when Haru found that tree, near it was suicide note? For me it's still looks like that Yui was still alive,because if you dont find it Haru hangs herself,but if you pick up, she still going for Yui.
And why does Spider God not has one of his eye on his arm it's 100% being cut off?(He lost it when Yui saved Haru?)
Last edited by DICLONIUS; Nov 2, 2017 @ 12:07am
Originally posted by DICLONIUS:
Hm in that case, can anyone explain why Haru said, that Yui's hand was warm in the day of Fireworks?
And when Haru found that tree, near it was suicide note? For me it's still looks like that Yui was still alive,because if you dont find it Haru hangs herself,but if you pick up, she still going for Yui.
And why does Spider God not has one eye on his arm it's 100% being cut off?(He lost it when Yui saved Haru?)


i think unless till release of official novel we can get everything,or the problem will stay unsolved.
and the "suicide note"---i'd prefer to call it a private diary,a diary just dropped off YUI's pocket while taking the box to the tree. because judge from the content it is not a letter to someone,and absolutely not a Suicide note(will of death) at all.Actually i think that's just the Branch Point for players ,generally speaking,players won't turn back to opposite direction,so they won't find the diary.after Haru's suicide following YUI (BE-Bad Ending),players will return to the save point in the tomb of her first dead dog.then try to play the last part before brach point agian to find if there is other ENDING-----the TE(True Ending) .And yes players will still suicide even after seen the diary.but smart players will get some insight from this ,realize YUI was not willing to die and think hard to figure out the way to change destiny.
And for last question sorry i don't get it...eye on him? you mean the left hand of the final boss? i suppose that was damaged by Kotowari's scissor during the first time YUI saved HARU,i explained this above in #3.
Last edited by 秋月真理奈(油桶专搬); Nov 1, 2017 @ 7:12pm
󠀡 Nov 3, 2017 @ 4:26pm 
Reading this thread i realized the tutorial messages was in fact the voice of mountain god which board sign warns you to not listen to. That really explains the contradiction between Yui's notes and what she did.
Though one thing still bothers me- if Yui really did save Haru from mountain god before, she should've known not to listen to his voice.
Last edited by 󠀡; Nov 3, 2017 @ 4:37pm
Originally posted by Genoard:
Reading this thread i realized the tutorial messages was in fact the voice of mountain god which board sign warns you to not listen to. That really explains the contradiction between Yui's notes and what she did.
Though one thing still bothers me- if Yui really did save Haru from mountain god before, she should've known not to listen to his voice.

yes you are right,in my opinion,Yui saved Haru before,but i think Yui did not follow the VOICE,in the first time HARU did follow the VOICE,so HARU has been caught by mountgod,but haru's not dead yet,then YUI came and saved HARU.HARU's in unconsciousness that time so HARU do not remember what happened (after you finnish the game and complete collecting,you will find a broken doll in the end of the cave,that should be used by YUI when saving HARU)...so YUI did not know the VOICE is the GUIDE,and with saved HARU,mountgod grudged on YUI.with death of her dog and with tragedy of her family,deep sad emotion. mountgod finally get the chance to catch YUI up in the mountain .YUI followed the VOICE for she never heard that before.then YUI dead.for HARU,because HARU followed the VOICE before,so at last HARU knows whats going on (you see when HARU following VOICE and throw the stone,HARU close her eyes,im sure HARU actually knows everything.).now Haru knows how to change destiny.

(but another problem came....how did YUI enter the cave without destroy the entrance before......XD.....i think maybe mountgod restored the entrance------- the old Villa boss restored the house itself in game for he's not really dead.but after mountgod been killed in the end ,the entrance keeps open,that means YUI saved HARU but didn't killed the mountgod,just heavily wounded (see his left hand wound).......

Of course these are only my predictions. everything should be solved with Officail Novel.

AND Another tip for you.in many situations, the game window will shaking(jittering) up and down,very showly ,when this happens , it means the mountgod is watching you.



Last edited by 秋月真理奈(油桶专搬); Nov 4, 2017 @ 12:28am
Chika Ogiue Nov 3, 2017 @ 10:22pm 
I agree, the death of Yui's dog was the tipping point which made her vulnerable to the voice on the mountain.

I love the way the tutorial has been used to such a deep level in this game.
DemoManowar Nov 6, 2017 @ 12:48pm 
Yeah, there is little doubt the tutorial messages are, in fact, the final boss. The whole game uses meta tricks pretty well without being too on the nose.

Still, the first Yomawari one was dark and sad but in a very simple way. It was a little girl coming to understand what death is, and also kind of getting ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ by greater forces when she just wants to save her sister. It's completely tied into the girl's innocence. It was brilliant in its simplicity, really.

Midnight Shadows is just a full blown tragedy that would still be depressing if it involved teenagers or even adults. I liked it, don't get me wrong, but there is still worth in playing the first for a simpler approach to storytelling focused more on childhood.
Cute Tea Goat Nov 6, 2017 @ 4:12pm 
Yeah, the first game had a very simple and powerful story. This one feels a bit convoluted at times.
No no the first game is not simple......the first game is a deep story too...and also a tragedy.it is because in the 1st game,developer didnot tell the story clearly,even you can not speculate the full story by playing it.you can only know the story by official novel(already published).For me the 1st game is as dark as the 2nd game.XD
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