Never played a loot game where loot feels so bad to aquire

[dtsmart1981]

90% of all drops are broken so you cant sell them.

Find a blue item? identify that item, only for it to sell for 5 gold.

Honestly, I understand you want the game to feel difficult but christ on a bike this doesnt feel difficult it just feels bad.

[Valkovski]

Escrito originalmente por Pixel Peeper:

Escrito originalmente por Lava:

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Because right now, it's both: it's exceedingly valuable when a merchant is holding it in their hands, and nearby worthless when I'm holding it in my hands.

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That is because the game is in early access and has no end game activities. Therefore they made buying armour and weapons the end game goal. Basically, you bought a 12k gold T5 armor, you win. That's why they don't drop in dungeons also since they want you farming gems and saving up for the shiny armour

[Pixel Peeper]

Escrito originalmente por Valkovski:

That is because the game is in early access and has no end game activities. Therefore they made buying armour and weapons the end game goal. Basically, you bought a 12k gold T5 armor, you win. That's why they don't drop in dungeons also since they want you farming gems and saving up for the shiny armour

I think that's in no small part what OP was complaining about.

Not just the fact that what you find is worthless, but also that you virtually never actually find gear. You can only buy it.

[goplayingbertoo]

you can find gear in t4/t5 unique items but you just find random stuff without save scumming you may find a bow when you use a sword or a 2h mace when you wanted a nice dagger. i think i mostly seen like t3 maybe a few t4 gear in just normal loot, i dont remember finding a lot of normal t5 armor or weapons. maybe im just unlucky, either way its still being made so you cant expect much. we still have some t5 gear for light armor that's decent, i never seen a t5 long bow for sale anymore, and i think the 4 slot ammo bag for bows doesnt show up anymore the crossbow one is a very rare drop from just one enemy.
i havent play mage for a bit but im sure there stuff missing or just some t5 isnt worth it over t4.
it's ea, they still got to adjust stuff and add more content.
stuff being sold for more in a merchants hand is very normal to real life, you go to a pawn shop and some items are being sold like their "new" product, and some used nearly broken stuff still sells high.
but the pawn broker wont pay you very much for some good items cuz they have to make a profit, in any big city you'd have a lot more money needed to live, taxes, rent and other junk. and yes they'll cheat a dumb merc for as much as they can.
think dirty cheating used car salesmen.

[Lava]

Escrito originalmente por Pixel Peeper:

If it's good as new, and enchanted more powerfully than is even possible anymore (because double enchantments are apparently a lost technology), then why is it still trash? The answer is, it's not. In fact, there are shops in the game that sell used equipment, and they still sell it for a fortune.

The game needs to decide whether equipment is exceedingly valuable or nearly worthless.

Because right now, it's both: it's exceedingly valuable when a merchant is holding it in their hands, and nearby worthless when I'm holding it in my hands.

I'll paraphrase some quotes from Wayfinder;

You are not a merchant, nor a professional haggler. You are a mercenary. Even if the equipment is of higher quality than that of the merchant's inventory there are a variety of reasons why they won't buy it for the full/close price such as:

1. They do not have the money to purchase such an item.
   
2. They have the money, but there is limited demand for the item. (Bad investment)

It's simple supply and demand. Have you ever watched clips of the TV show Pawnstars before? Even if the item is of exceedingly rare & high quality, if they can't sell it (or if it will take really long to find a buyer for it) then the price is driven down, since it's not worth the risk! The same applies to the merchant you're trying to sell that amazingly powerful magical artifact to.

Council/Magistrate soldiers would not buy the weapon because they are already supplied their own, and could not afford it. Peasants would not buy the weapon because they have no need for it, and could not afford it. And nobles would not buy the weapon because they could just commission their own, and probably a more ornate/high quality one at that. The only group that could possibly afford your amazingly powerful magical artifact are mercenaries. So that merchant would have to hold onto that amazing powerful magic artifact for a long time, waiting for the right kind of mercenary to appear, not knowing if they will ever sell it.

And for standard normal quality gear you're trying to pawn off; why would they be interested in trying to redistribute old gear, when they have brand new equipment to sell? The NPCs are taking unnecessary risk by buying your costly equipment. But if they are buying the equipment for 15% of their original value, then that risk is reduced.

This is the main reason why equipment is valued at 15% of it's value. Because no one wants it. It's also a game, so a lot of things are simplified. If the difference between buying and selling equipment would be minimal, the economy would be extremely easy to abuse and break.

[Tamren]

In the early game when you need to scrape for every coin it's worth carrying stuff back just so that you can afford food.

In the midgame when you start doing 2-skull contracts you get vastly more gold per hour just by finishing the contract and collecting your pay. Don't bother picking up any gear you don't plan to repair and use yourself, equipment sells for very little while valuables like animal hides sell for 50% minimum. There are exceptions to this, goedendags in good condition sell for a lot. You can see what something is worth in its current state just by picking it up.

[Pixel Peeper]

I don't think even a mercenary would be stupid enough to believe any of those excuses. The evidence against it is just too overwhelming.

That NPCs are selling these weapons for 10,000g proves that there is extremely high demand for these. Other NPCs sell even used and damaged ones for thousands, so there is massive demand for these too.

Can you imagine?

Mercenary: "Hey, I got this great weapon, well-maintained, perfect working conditions, how much would you pay for it?"
Merchant: "Oh, I couldn't possibly give you more than 600 coins. What if I can't sell it?"
Mercenary: "You're selling another one right now. The exact same model. Except it doesn't have a double enchant on it and it's all messed up. And you're selling it for 3,000 coins."
Merchant: "Uh, well... you see... that's because... uuuuuuuuuuuh..."

And since they're selling these weapons for 3,000 to 10,000g it means they have plenty of budget to buy yours.

No... the only logical explanation is that your character is a moron of the highest calibre. It's not just that they're not merchants, it's that they seriously don't have the two brain cells it takes to realize they're being very very very very very very very very blatantly scammed.

[WalaWala]

interesting that, one run of T5 can earn almost $5000 gold treasure
but you almost dont need.much gold when you can deal with t5 dungeon

[gromneer]

I agree with OP but there is simply no fix for this. At least no one has come up with a compelling fix yet. This is a problem in every single rpg with sellable loot. This game is onto something with the broken equipment system though. Add encumbrance, bartering, and needing specialized repair shops for specific equipment, and this may give enough design space to address the balance issue.

[Pixel Peeper]

Escrito originalmente por WalaWala:

interesting that, one run of T5 can earn almost $5000 gold treasure
but you almost dont need.much gold when you can deal with t5 dungeon

Generally, unless you wear heavy armor, costs are not that bad. Only a few thousand for repairs, a bunch of consumables, a couple decent buffs, etc.

There should be enough vendor trash (gold plates, gems and whatever) inside the dungeon that it pays for your costs and then some.

It's before then that it's really nasty. When you have Tier III gear and are looking to upgrade to Tier V (because it'd be too wasteful blow 4k or 5k on a piece of Tier IV gear only to pay another 9k or 10k for a Tier V upgrade later), it takes quite a bit of grinding to get the tens of thousands of coins it takes to get all your stuff.

[Maa22]

I aggre :] loot is trash most of the time

[BoostedLionel]

sometimes we need to make a choice in our adventure, hahaha

[money3030]

Lol just get Derrell immediately then sell him your non Broken trash weapon items since well he buys it. Have fun spending extra turns walking around though if you're that strapped for Cash. You should probably switch your boots to the T1 Cloth ot Leather peasant shoed too so your Combst boots stay intact.

Leif only buys Valuables too, meaning all those Pelts, Ghoul Hearts and cheap ones like bird buckles, Carved talismans, stained glass, Silver plates, Whatever Derrel can also buy those but you better sell him non Broken weapons first.

When you run enough Distant Dungeons they become well a decent place to sell off cheap stuff, heck I only keep Gold Cups, Ornate Disks, Gems and small Trinkets, Ancients coins that fit in Purses for a big pay out in Brynn.

So it seems you aren't playing the game with the Caravan enough to say such nonsense.

[Selgeron]

I find that generally the mods on magical items are not very powerful- especially at low level.

This results in the very best thing you can do is basically to ignore everything that isn't a direct upgrade, (99% of the time) and save all your scrolls etc while doing as many low level quests as possible and turning them in for Brynn. If you are lucky you can skip from Tier 1 to Tier 3 to Tier 5.

Then after you get to tier 5, THEN you start looking for magical loot and artifacts.

Personally I think that the difference between tiers of equipment should probably be weaker (right now its huge) but to compensate magical buffs should be more powerful.

They should also take some of the tier 5 artifacts and make them weaker and distribute them through tier 2-4

[WalaWala]

Escrito originalmente por Selgeron:

I find that generally the mods on magical items are not very powerful- especially at low level.

This results in the very best thing you can do is basically to ignore everything that isn't a direct upgrade, (99% of the time) and save all your scrolls etc while doing as many low level quests as possible and turning them in for Brynn. If you are lucky you can skip from Tier 1 to Tier 3 to Tier 5.

Then after you get to tier 5, THEN you start looking for magical loot and artifacts.

Personally I think that the difference between tiers of equipment should probably be weaker (right now its huge) but to compensate magical buffs should be more powerful.

They should also take some of the tier 5 artifacts and make them weaker and distribute them through tier 2-4

agree
i get my first artifact when i can clean t5 dungeon with ease
but i actually dont need any artifact already.

[money3030]

One Handed Swords, Daggers and Axes usually Junk till T4 with some needing T5 to be good, Meanwhile Two handed Versions are okay at T3.