rip heavy shields

[They Live]

under no circumstance , even in shield bash builds (which were not so popular already), you want to use an heavy shield now.
-25% recovery and nerfed stats make of em not an option anymore.
Why? you think they were op? is this some ranked online game and i didn't notice?
edit : i didn't even mention every single block recovery skill/passive was also nerfed.

[Včelí medvídek]

Something in 0.9.11? Because I played heavy shield in 0.9.10 adn ti was amazing build.

[thebadman]

Yeah 0.9.11 nerfed heavy shield stats and double to tripled recovery penalties, recovery per turn skills also got rougly nerfed in half so even max vitality builds struggle to recover block power.

Medium shields do not have any of these issues so they are leagues better as you can have more than 20 vitality worth of block power recovery while spending those points into strength and having also more block power, block chance and damage too.

Tier 3 shield having 30 vitality and deep tree skills to even be able recover from attacks simply seems like a bad joke. Pre nerf tier 3 heavy shields are stronger than new T5.

[They Live]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Včelí medvídek:

Something in 0.9.11? Because I played heavy shield in 0.9.10 adn ti was amazing build.

yeah last patch came with huge nerf to block recovery (lower heavy shields tiers are now -20% and higher -25%) and block chance and power were also nerfed.
Need 30 vit to go 0% block recovery with a heavy shield now.
It's just better to go medium shield and full strenght, heavy shields are good for nothing.

[money3030]

Lol that Unique Medium Jousting shield someone posted a while ago is now a ton of Gold in worth. 💀

[Včelí medvídek]

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Diposting pertama kali oleh Včelí medvídek:

Something in 0.9.11? Because I played heavy shield in 0.9.10 adn ti was amazing build.

yeah last patch came with huge nerf to block recovery (lower heavy shields tiers are now -20% and higher -25%) and block chance and power were also nerfed.
Need 30 vit to go 0% block recovery with a heavy shield now.
It's just better to go medium shield and full strenght, heavy shields are good for nothing.

uh thats harsh. I still have -15% on my existing gear (Brynn Pavise). That said I am on 10% passive recovery with 25 VIT so this change would move me to 0 (hence no, 30 should not be necessary - but helpful ofc). But I would probably need to see new stats of all gear together first as some also come form knightly armor etc.

I believe medium shields needed some change to be viable though.

[Včelí medvídek]

Diposting pertama kali oleh money3030:

Lol that Unique Medium Jousting shield someone posted a while ago is now a ton of Gold in worth. 💀

he, ti was mine..

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3401327547

But dunno if the stats of new found item are now still same as already existing pre patch gear might be different

Also medium stilkl dotn get unique bonuses form shield tree, on first sight I would sitll consider heavy superior even with said nerf.

[Rabid]

tbh heavy shields were absolutely insane, I had a full vit build which could facetank the troll at level 10 without even having access to all the shield skills yet, but it does sound like they might have been overnerfed (shields in general were overtuned and I'm glad they got tweaked down a bit)

[JuX]

So you are drawing this conclusion from a tower shield?

[thebadman]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Rabid:

tbh heavy shields were absolutely insane, I had a full vit build which could facetank the troll at level 10 without even having access to all the shield skills yet, but it does sound like they might have been overnerfed (shields in general were overtuned and I'm glad they got tweaked down a bit)

To me it feels like 2-3 different people nerfed heavy shields and skills separately without telling the other then patch got shipped.

With skills nerfed in half but shields still hanging there they would be alright. With shields nerfed but skills still being very powerful with with recovery they also would be alright if someone spent enough points in vitality I guess.

But with both nerfs at once why even bother when medium shields stare at me with their doggy eyes asking to get used again?

[money3030]

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Diposting pertama kali oleh Rabid:

tbh heavy shields were absolutely insane, I had a full vit build which could facetank the troll at level 10 without even having access to all the shield skills yet, but it does sound like they might have been overnerfed (shields in general were overtuned and I'm glad they got tweaked down a bit)

To me it feels like 2-3 different people nerfed heavy shields and skills separately without telling the other then patch got shipped.

With skills nerfed in half but shields still hanging there they would be alright. With shields nerfed but skills still being very powerful with with recovery they also would be alright if someone spent enough points in vitality I guess.

But with both nerfs at once why even bother when medium shields stare at me with their doggy eyes asking to get used again?

Probably another oversight resulting in overkill on an already beaten dead horse.

I mean shield skills got nerfed then the Heavy shields themselves. 🤔

[They Live]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Včelí medvídek:

Diposting pertama kali oleh money3030:

Lol that Unique Medium Jousting shield someone posted a while ago is now a ton of Gold in worth. 💀

he, ti was mine..

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3401327547

But dunno if the stats of new found item are now still same as already existing pre patch gear might be different

Also medium stilkl dotn get unique bonuses form shield tree, on first sight I would sitll consider heavy superior even with said nerf.

legacy shield prepatch still have same old stats

[Včelí medvídek]

Diposting pertama kali oleh They Live:

legacy shield prepatch still have same old stats

I know.. but that is what i mean - we should see what are new stats now if you get item after changes. It can be same or both better/worse.

[They Live]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Včelí medvídek:

Diposting pertama kali oleh They Live:

legacy shield prepatch still have same old stats

I know.. but that is what i mean - we should see what are new stats now if you get item after changes. It can be same or both better/worse.

i've seen them all. My legacy footman shield is better then higer tier shields except maybe pavise but overall is better than pavise because low recovery malus.

[Pixel Peeper]

-25% Block Recovery? Isn't the base value only 20% to begin with? How do you work with that?

I thought they'd give Medium shields a bit of love, not murder Heavy shields to make Mediums look good.

[Včelí medvídek]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Pixel Peeper:

-25% Block Recovery? Isn't the base value only 20% to begin with? How do you work with that?

VIT, gear, skills.

As said, with 25 VIT even if the heaviest shield will go from -15% to -25% I am at zero on my char (not including active skills)