Why does dammek get hated

[panda_Bok]

Like, i know its's not about the 'game itself', but i just really wanted to know. Why does people hate him so much??

[Paste]

I agree with Skull-Kid, people are forgetting how troll culture works. They're supposed to have an alien, sometimes unappealing culture, and we probably lose some of that by trying to apply our cultural beliefs on them. I don't think many trolls at all are "good" people, or worth liking (though we've only seen about 25 at this point), even pre-scratch trolls are self-absorbed.

Dammek's poor treatment of him may actually be very kind treatment by Troll standards, especially to someone on a lower caste.

[NewMoonShadow]

Originally posted by Skull-Kid:

Because people forgot how troll culture works. I'm pretty sure if Dammek actually hated Xefros he wouldn't have made a band with him. He probably would have killed him and gotten away with it because of the blood caste.

Besides Dammek comes off to me as a character similar to Karkat. He's a jerk to alot of people and wants to be a leader, but overall generally really hasn't done anything wrong. I mean the picture of him sharing pizza with Xefros really paints the picture here.

Dammek literally steals Xefros' stuff and makes hollow excuses for it. Even among Troll culture as presented in the comic that comes off as incredibly toxic, abusive behavior. Especially since I think the game stated that they're supposed to be moirails, who cherish and complete one-another. Just because you have pizza with someone and start a band with them doesn't mean you're not still treating them like absolute garbage.

[Kneecap Mason]

Originally posted by KezzieZ:

Originally posted by PrincessPacman:

I was thinking about this too. I really wanted to like Dammek, but so far he just seems like a jerky friend. I really hope later down the road he'll be able to redeem himself. Also, is Hauntswitch just Hiveswap for the Nintendo Switch, or is it a different game entirely? I don't have a Switch and I don't want to miss out on important plot stuff because of it.

The town that Harley Manor is near is called Hauntswitch. Presumably, it's going to focus on Dammek's pov.

Dang, I guess I'll have to just watch gameplay on Youtube...

[Blues Berry]

Originally posted by PrincessPacman:

Originally posted by KezzieZ:

The town that Harley Manor is near is called Hauntswitch. Presumably, it's going to focus on Dammek's pov.

Dang, I guess I'll have to just watch gameplay on Youtube...

It's got nothing to do with the Nintendo Switch. Hauntswitch is just the name.

[Frostea]

Originally posted by NewMoonShadow:

Originally posted by Skull-Kid:

Because people forgot how troll culture works. I'm pretty sure if Dammek actually hated Xefros he wouldn't have made a band with him. He probably would have killed him and gotten away with it because of the blood caste.

Besides Dammek comes off to me as a character similar to Karkat. He's a jerk to alot of people and wants to be a leader, but overall generally really hasn't done anything wrong. I mean the picture of him sharing pizza with Xefros really paints the picture here.

Dammek literally steals Xefros' stuff and makes hollow excuses for it. Even among Troll culture as presented in the comic that comes off as incredibly toxic, abusive behavior. Especially since I think the game stated that they're supposed to be moirails, who cherish and complete one-another. Just because you have pizza with someone and start a band with them doesn't mean you're not still treating them like absolute garbage.

Karkat treats Gamzee like complete ♥♥♥♥. So I don't really see the point you're making.

You also seem to forget that Eridan destroyed the only hope his race had for survival and Vriska being abusive towards Tavros. I really don't think Dammek is even half as bad as you're making him out to be.

[NewMoonShadow]

Originally posted by Skull-Kid:

Originally posted by NewMoonShadow:

Dammek literally steals Xefros' stuff and makes hollow excuses for it. Even among Troll culture as presented in the comic that comes off as incredibly toxic, abusive behavior. Especially since I think the game stated that they're supposed to be moirails, who cherish and complete one-another. Just because you have pizza with someone and start a band with them doesn't mean you're not still treating them like absolute garbage.

Karkat treats Gamzee like complete ♥♥♥♥. So I don't really see the point you're making.

You also seem to forget that Eridan destroyed the only hope his race had for survival and Vriska being abusive towards Tavros. I really don't think Dammek is even half as bad as you're making him out to be.

Everybody in the group hated and mistrusted both Eridan and Vriska by the time their game ended and they ended up on the meteor, so I'm not sure you're really making a strong case for yourself by bringing them up.

As for Gamzee, Karkat was shown many times calming him down, Gamzee was just so self-destructive that there came a point where there was nothing Karkat could do.

The trolls are pretty violent and full of conflict by nature, but they still have self-preservation instincts and self-respect as part of a healthy psyche. Two things that Xefros seems to completely lack, which Dammek takes advantage of instead of working to fix.

[Paste]

I seem to remember Karkat constantly being an ass and insulting Gamzee's beliefs before he was forced into a toxic relationship where he had to desperately calm Gamzee's highblood raging down or risk being beaten to death with bowling pins.

[Frostea]

Originally posted by PasteCho:

I seem to remember Karkat constantly being an ass and insulting Gamzee's beliefs before he was forced into a toxic relationship where he had to desperately calm Gamzee's highblood raging down or risk being beaten to death with bowling pins.

[NewMoonShadow]

Originally posted by PasteCho:

I seem to remember Karkat constantly being an ass and insulting Gamzee's beliefs before he was forced into a toxic relationship where he had to desperately calm Gamzee's highblood raging down or risk being beaten to death with bowling pins.

Karkat was constantly an ass to and insulting everybody at all times pre-and-during-Sgrub.

What he did NOT do was actually go out of his way to abuse and manipulate Gamzee in ways beneficial to himself and detrimental to Gamzee.

You can be a belligerent ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ without actually HARMING anybody. From what we've heard Dammek is actually a smooth talker who takes what he wants with words. He's more Vriska than Karkat. More pleasant to be around but far more vile, manipulative, and untrustworthy.

Karkat calls you an ass, Vriska treats you like toilet paper. Dammek, from what little we know of him, feels like a Vriska. At least, until and unless future games decide to paint him differently.

[Paste]

I should have probably been more specific: We haven't met Dammek. We know almost nothing about his relationships. We pretty much get one pretty garbage thing he did (more "thoughtless" than garbage, honestly), and we get Joey's (reminder: a girl with serious abandonment issues, and who isn't very good at making friends herself) reaction to the one thing. Dammek probably treats him so well it's scandelous, 'cause remember: he's considered a pariah and a nuisance as a rustblood. None would even bat an eye if a whole community of them were burned to the ground.

When it comes to troll culture, I'd say Vriska and Equius were the most "troll-like" trolls. And not only did Vriska ACTUALLY murder a rustblood with practically no consequences outside of one of the friends getting revenge, but she kept her spidermom fed on the corpses of people she beat in a game for many years, AND she SACRIFICED an unknowable (but probably pretty large) number of her FRIENDS pretty much laughing and boasting the whole way. It's not even fair to compare her to Dammek who... stole a hoverboard?

I'm not saying he's a good person, nor am I saying he's NOT a bad person, but you shouldn't just instantly assume a person is the worst based on a few short exchanges of dialog that didn't even include him. And you definitely should NOT downplay how awful a person Vriska is. :^)

[Paste]

Seriously, I hope Vriska was crushed in that black hole.

[NewMoonShadow]

Originally posted by PasteCho:

I should have probably been more specific: We haven't met Dammek. We know almost nothing about his relationships. We pretty much get one pretty garbage thing he did (more "thoughtless" than garbage, honestly), and we get Joey's (reminder: a girl with serious abandonment issues, and who isn't very good at making friends herself) reaction to the one thing. Dammek probably treats him so well it's scandelous, 'cause remember: he's considered a pariah and a nuisance as a rustblood. None would even bat an eye if a whole community of them were burned to the ground.

"Thoughtless"? He has his sign inscribed on the thing... he clearly never intended to give it back.

And all of this is ignoring Xefros' "kicked puppy" temperament when interacting with "him", when he thought that Joey was Dammek. He was acting like everything he was doing and saying was going to piss Dammek off somehow, like everything is a test that he's being set up to fail.

When it comes to troll culture, I'd say Vriska and Equius were the most "troll-like" trolls.

They were the ones who met the societal standards set by the reigning queen, but I hardly think that makes them representative of trolls as a species. Given that the vast majority of the Trolls we got to know were actually fairly nice people, if aggressive, it's far more realistic to call them the outliers. A few of the Trolls are more in-tune with the standards set by the rulers, but they don't seem to represent the majority of the populace. Xefros himself is more evidence of this.

And not only did Vriska ACTUALLY murder a rustblood with practically no consequences outside of one of the friends getting revenge, but she kept her spidermom fed on the corpses of people she beat in a game for many years, AND she SACRIFICED an unknowable (but probably pretty large) number of her FRIENDS pretty much laughing and boasting the whole way.

Vriska at least has a reason for the murders she committed (refer to my previous comment about self-preservation instincts), Dammek treats Xefros like crap on a personal one-to-one level in order to do things that he could also do simply by being nice and supportive.

I'm not saying Vriska was a GOOD PERSON or anything, but given that she grew up under constant threat of being eaten by her own guardian, it's easy to see why she is the way she is. Dammek doesn't have that excuse. He's a ♥♥♥♥ because he can be.

I'm not saying he's a good person, nor am I saying he's NOT a bad person, but you shouldn't just instantly assume a person is the worst based on a few short exchanges of dialog that didn't even include him. And you definitely should NOT downplay how awful a person Vriska is. :^)

There are a lot of holes in the information we have about Dammek, but the information we are given is clearly intended to lead us to the conclusion that he's not a nice guy, period.

[NorthernDruid]

Dammek seems obsessive about things, mostly two things. Xefros and the revolution.

There's so many posters and pictures around his hive it's clear he cares about his moirail, and wants them to be equals. If he were conciously taking advantage I doubt he'd let the two of them seem so equal in all those band posters and such.

Whether he succeeds in being a good person by ours and tumblrs standards isn't really something I think we've seen enough to really evaluate.

In the grand scheme of things, without the revolution succeding, Xefros is probably gonna end up being culled for not making a good enough butler, or just be burned alive for another selfie-background.

I personally won't blame Dammek for focusing more on the sucess of the revolution rather than soul searching and weighing his own ideas of what might be considered the nicest way to interact with his friends and whether being nice is a thing you want to be. And I'm not gonna judge him from reprimanding his subordinate (no matter their personal relationship) when they compromise the entire revolution and everyone involved by spilling secrets over unsececure communication.

"borrowing" the hoverboard and marking it with his own sign seems like a ♥♥♥♥ move though. Still, there could be a non-♥♥♥♥ reason for it.

[Kneecap Mason]

Originally posted by The Bluest Berry:

Originally posted by PrincessPacman:

Dang, I guess I'll have to just watch gameplay on Youtube...

It's got nothing to do with the Nintendo Switch. Hauntswitch is just the name.

Ooooooh, ok good.

[solaire's shawty]

people say he's abusive for how he treats xefros and how he undermined his self-esteem. i mean it was shìtty but we haven't even met him yet?? he will get some sort of redemption arc.