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1) Ciber Cafe means to say you own a cyber cafe and ask people to pay to play the game itself, basically selling the game time.
2) We do not encourage the trading items for Real World Money, if you have partaken in it and am found out we will remove all items from that character but will not place a ban on the account.
3) No you would be fine.
4) As long as it's not real world money trading hands its fine.
5) Yes, trading account for real-world money is against our policy.
No rules on the code of conduct as such but it's up to our descretion to enforce certain thing when need be.
Awesome thanks a lot for explaining this to me, and i've actually asked the same thing to 4 other video game devlopers in Discord, Chronicles OF Elyria, Crow Fall, and Ashes OF Creation, EVE Online all four other games, not including Arc Fall, which ill likely buy soon to add to my collection stated players wouldn't get banned either, the currency would get removed or items possibly which is great.
I personally don't support "Real Money Trading" I really don't care about what players do outside of the game as long as I don't see bots like in Lineage 2 running all over the place adena farming like back in 2005 although I know this still breaks game rules.
It's just something I kinda ask these days before buying because of my Albion Online purchase I trusted Sandbox Interactive with $168 Real Dollars and had an account with them in good standing since 2013, fastforward to 2017 after playing the game and crossing paths with someone else who did illegal activity I lost my account for Life with no reason, never got the product I backed or puchased, or a refund and it's just disturbing to see some companies do this to players.
https://imgur.com/a/ScwO2
https://imgur.com/a/wdcIJ Comes free with steam censorship.
^ But while speaking to the developers on discord for other games they told me they were not shocked at all and stated their games would not be like that so it's just great to know I can help people in a sandbox like I used to do in EVE without risking losing my account if someone out of many transactions crosses path with me (game currency) can always be farmed back accounts cant.
So, Thank You for makng another True Sandbox Game <3.
^ Edit: And great looking game so far love it, just needs more dev work in general, and Full Screen windowed, but otherwise its looking beautiful so far.
^ And while you work on character models and stuff adding re-customize option in game, and ability to zoom into the character during creation and edit would be awesome too :3.
Anti-Cheat software isn't the Devil it's when game companies bundle their games with Anti-Cheats such as "Game Guard" or "XingCode" often players who install these things are not even made aware of it so it can create hardware conflicts with certain drivers, and motherboards, as well as prevent certain software and games from running other than that being used to actually cheat, and worst (They come with no Uninstaller) or way to removal even when delete the game.)
That is what I am against, however there are reputable Anti-Cheat technology such as "VAC" "FairFight" "Easy Anti Cheat" "Battleye" I remember once complaining about Battleye because it didn't display any agreement to install, it was fixed like really fast it was awesome at least it got corrected.
In simple when I installed "Blade & Soul" for the first time I was not aware of GameGuard being bundled with it I couldn't play it for the longest time, then they changed to XingCode, given I know how to uninstall the Anti-Cheat when uninstalling the game I tried it my entire PC just locked up multiple times due to a Hardware conflict between the game, anticheat, and "ASMEDIA SATA Controller" would totally shut down and cause the entire system to crash. (Thus the problem) and why reputable Anti-Cheats don't cause tihs.
**To keep this constructive and a bit on the topic of Arc Fall while talking about the failure of Albion.**
- This is what I hope Arc Fall, doesn't do the problem with Albion Online is that the game allowed people to purchase (Gold) and convert it to In - Game silver,. the problem with this is players who didn't care or China companies would commit credit-card fraud and do a charge-back then be selling silver through illict sources for Real Money, this is what I managed to gather from looking into the issue myself (This could have been avoided by Sandbox Interactive though.) if they used a Payment Processor like (Steam) now steam takes 30% of all game sales to my knowledge, but it makes them secure so the developers don't lose money or get charge-backed on by people committing fraud which would have worked well for the game but they didn't do this. (In short since they knew about it in Beta they should have added restrictions on launch or taken the time to fix the game.)
- Instead not doing anything lead to issues like (The Iron Bank Incident) which basically is where someone is said to have stolen holdings from the guild by bidding with the in game auction system with fraud currency (This would have been prevented by using a payment processor?)
- Threatened to ban users just for accepting trades, I've posted the info on previous postings and snapshots a few places basically at launch of the game new players who were being given founders items randomly in attempt to get innocent bans were threatend by developers (Even if a new player) thought someone was just being kind giving them a mount which isn't uncommon in a MMORPG based game, people gift mounts in WOW, and other games to other players I gift items in EVE to new players given away Orcas, and Hulks before to new players and corps.
- Later threatend to ban for Laborer Journals after the developers made a mistake and players were banking profit off of it.
- Censorship on the forums, and steam dicussions for negative feed-back.
- Denial OF Service attack 30 days straight
-Edit, My most favorite one, Apparently my gold purchase (Happened) during the beta when currency would not be carried over to the launch of the game (amazing right?) I would totally waste my money like this rather than buying it from the company where it does carry over...
-> The problem with all of this is the company in question could have prevented so much Negative feed-back and stuff about the game had they have simply refund, or reinstated my account which was in good-standing for 3+ years, but being a "GMBH" company you are often guilty before innocent if they say you did it then you are guilty, which is the difference between a company over-seas, and the 3 other major companies I've backed for over $1500 USD they are U.S companies and all said they wouldn't just ban a users account for no reason especially for something as simple as accepting a trade.
^ Which leads me to the final point here that the way the game company did things and punished people made it easy to frame and get innocent people forever banned from the game especially when they admit to their own mistakes that evidence may not be accurate, and then on top of this I believe mentioned how Gold Sellers use spam email addresses thus making it easy to frame people you hate in the game for a life-time banishment while it never traces back to you, I will give you a hint "VPN" and anyone can use a temporary email address and then from there it costs a few bucks and you get the ultimate revenge on a person you hate I mean I can't be the only one who spends thousands on games every year.
------> In the end the only thing you can do is *TRUST* developers of any game to do the right thing, and as far as I can see Arc Fall, and the other upcoming sandbox games are doing the right thing by not just instantly ban-hammering users because they may once in a life time accidently cross paths with someone who does something they shouldn't especially if a user does a lot of trading like in "EVE" Online, or "Arche Age" when I did like hundreds of transactions a day because I had 8 accounts and was one of the biggest farmers, but I decided to just give it all away because of Trion Worlds ruining a great game and all the lands I gave away for free to others ( I did cross paths with someone who did something they shouldn't have, and GM's removed I think it was 1k gold) after thousands of legitimate transactions but what raised the flag is when I totally did an (Auction House Bait) bought all the Archem Trees, and resold them for 100 Gold a pop back in the day people not paying attention really bought them that got me flagged thankfully only the currency was removed and they told me to be careful in the future.
Face it, you were caught, chatting with a RMT agent talking about how it was your delivery, and you accepted the trade, then wonder why you got banned lol.
Admit it, you do not like anti cheat software because you cheat, you do not like companies banning players for RMT because you engage in RMT.
https://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/462334/before-you-buy-this-game-read-the-terms-of-service
Look for the first post by Korn42, which says:
"Hi Renoaku,
normally, we would not comment on these cases. But as you are being very public about it across various forums, we'd like to make a short statement.
Your in-game chatlogs, and the identity of the account that gave you the gold, leaves us with no doubt that you did indeed purchase gold from a 3rd party website. The fact that account who gave you the gold even said "Hi, I'm delivery" does not help, either.
Note that these 3rd party websites are often involved in account hacking and credit card fraud, so the damage they cause is extensive.
Buying gold from 3rd party websites is clearly forbidden by our terms and conditions, and always has been. On top of that, it is also forbidden in essentially any other game that we are aware of."
But please, carry on claiming you did not.
Yeah I remember the post your talking about but that doesn't exactly prove (RMT) all it proves is that a person was in game to deliver / trade goods / items with me, there is no actual text that discuss "Real Money Trading" in the actual game, as if the person would have said something like "Hi im from (X) website I got the items you purchased for $10.95, for example I would have declined any trade, but as the people were on voice communications with the trade / investment it seemed legitimate (which is part of an open world sandbox.)
Given that SAYA, and other people run 3rd party investments without anything of Equal Value in return I do not see what the difference is.
As I said above I could care-less what people do with their own money, I know I wouldn't waste mine on materials coming from a 3rd party source I would rather give it to a game company to go towards the games development.
Like there is absolutely no way you are going to stop "RMT" for example if I let a friend play World OF Warcraft for me on my pc irl and pay them $20 for power leveling me 1-30 at my real life house or college dorm as long as they don't break the EULA chances of me getting banned are small (Obviously I would never do this.) But point being that (RMT will happen regardless of a EULA and its hard to enforce.)
Same with Fieverr, and Overwatch for example there are some people who sell (Their Time) for grouping with other players and playing with them (Although I think its stupid) sometimes people actually pay now (Blizzard can enforce what happens through their service) and they did tell me it was illegal (However they can't tell me what I can and can't do outside the service with my own money for example donating $10 to a person to group with me in Overwatch for an hours of time or whatever.)
It's still a violation but there is no way to enforce.
IMO if I were a (developer of any game) I wouldn't care what users do with their own money and outside my game (It would be illegal to discuss RMT) inside the game, but if users wanted to sell a a 400 carrots for $10 I wouldn't stop them.
Instead as a developer I would (Target the Cheaters) running bots, scripts, or other types of hacks and make sure they are shut down, as well as removing any source or way for bots to fraud my company which clearly the other game did not even attempt to do and that is why the game is having such a horrid time because people who didn't actually RMT got caught in the crossfire among many other things.
** In a sandbox game users are allowed to trade as they wish** This means that GM's should not get involved if players are donating, gifting, or helping others / investments being made in a game, the exception being is if a user is knowingly purchasing from a illegal website, or source / receives a large trade from cheaters, (But this should have to be proven knowledge from within the game, as I fail to see any of that in the post they made.**
^ I strongly believe the stance CCP, Crow Fall, Ark Fall, COE, and Ashes taking against RMT is great having the items removed as a punishment is good enough, especially if someone just happens to get involved (Without Knowledge) in a trade from a illegal source, now obviously if a person is receving goods from illegal sources more than once in a short period, or anything unrealistic then more actions need to be taken, ** But personally I've never had that issue in any game i've played where it resulted in a ban except A****n because I don't get involved in that stuff.
Yeah I remember that, but doesn't exactly prove anything.
Of course when your on Voice Communication you are not really going to talk much in game, and saying your there to deliver, or trade items isn't a violation of the rules, as clearly there was no discussion of RMT, and thus brings back the fact that the game Albion is advertised as a "Sandbox MMORPG" and thus people should be able to trade as they please without worrying about getting banned (Assuming that a user doesn't pay real money.)
A game company also only has access to the logs provided in their game or service, they can't see my Credit Card records, or me in Real Life that I did or didn't pay a person $10 for example for whatever item I wanted to obtain (A game company generally speaking has no way to see this.)
Based off the persons post which I read way back "ill go ahead and bookmark it again" I can only trust the person in question, and assume that the person who did the trade did something illegal they shouldn't have (which would have been without my knowledge, as the company can verify who I talk with in and out of the said game.) ** This is where looking into my account history, any penalty, and how long I played the frigging game for 3 years would have helped.**
Now here is the serious question how easy is it to get a innocent person banned?
1.) Easy, Hop on discord with your guild leader or clan members, tell them you can help them out.
2.) Use a Temporary email account for the account to create the fake account in question.
3.) At the same time run a VPN for the second client or different PC behind a different IP address.
4.) Tell your friend you have 500 carrots and 2 gold bars or whatever you have on (Discord) for them to help them out, and then be like (BRB) let me log on my other toon.
5.) Second your friend in game a message that says I'm Delivery, or I'm at (X) Location trade me.
^ Because you're in discord with them they are likely to trade with you and really on that second account you have used a stolen credit card number, or someone else who just does a charge back, and then their account shows as the one who trade with you (When the company) investigates all they find is a temporary email address and they are like (GOLD Seller.)
At the same time use that same account to hand out random silver / gold to other people but make it generally all the same amount like it was purchases.
I am just explaining how easy this is so hopefully you will get it and maybe in the future other games that are developed won't have these issues, obviously I have never seen any other game really have this type of problem except for 1 game in 20+ years, every game has cheaters though (And yes) I have been scammed too in other ways so I kinda learn from them.
If there is one thing I really hate its Scammers, and Lies, and that is what really upsets me the most especially when I lost my $38 PUBG item it wasn't about the money, it was about the scammer who used Social Engineering tacts to take the item from me.
While you still have a penchant for overly long forum posts declaring your innocence, going on previous posts of yours on various forums, if it is a choice between believing you, or believing a representative of a gaming company that banned you, guess what, I do not believe you.
Have fun, I am done with you.