Why no Jeanne and Saber Alter?

[Sansei Muramasa]

Title.

[carl ruins everything]

Best guess would be that they'd have had to pay the voice actors and/or the localization team guys extra for throwing in two more characters, even if said characters would be fairly easy for everyone else involved (art team, coding team, modeling team) by virtue of them being, well, alternate versions of already completed characters.

I do still hold hope that the devs can break the usual tradition of "immediately drop this game as soon as it's finished and make no more content for it" they seem to have and maybe add them as DLC characters in the future a la how they made Young Altera a standalone character instead of a variant costume for Altera; sadly, however, it's more likely that we'll only ever see Alter Servants added as costumes for existing Servants instead of non-cosmetic add-on characters, and even then the chance of that happening is fairly slim given history.

[carl ruins everything]

All of this being said, though, with how greedy Type-Moon can be and with how good a source of revenue power creep is, I still wouldn't be surprised if we got Alter Servants as DLC purely because that paywall would be an excuse to make them extremely good and single-handedly overturn the meta of the game, if not create the meta to begin with; thus giving everybody a reason to want to cough up their ten bucks and take the new Servant for a spin of their own.

[kopiC]

I am not really fan of Type-Moon (know story of F/sn, started with F/Extra, watched only F/A, not going after all series). But there are stuff I need to clarify.

- Type-Moon writer contributed to projects, not outsource while idly collects license fees. There's quality control, but admittedly, he is more suited for adventure game, new to musou.
- They try to give as much personalities to all characters, while keeping consistent with Fate universe.
- Characters have unique moves, and favours (eg. Tamamo kick has a bell chime on hitting male characters)
- Characters' lines and voice are well thought out, trying to avoid stereotyping or too similar to existing ones.

A lot more work involved in adding a character, a lot of idea and research.
But clearly there is limitation to that, its getting tougher to differentiate between characters. DLC chibi characters are near impossible to play with (blocks the view). Dev already tried their best.

If dev is really greedy, they can easily recycle other character's moves, use any battle anime cliche lines, hire cheap unknown voice talents. There are lots of F/GO characters to choose from!
It's clear that dev asked themselves "will I buy that?" before flooding market with DLCs.
Else there will be victory poses and colour swaps sold as alternate costumes X-D

[Sherman]

Well, Jeanne D'Arc Alter can't exist outside FGO IIRC.
I'd say the same for Saber Alter and F/SN HF, buuuuut FGO somehow has her summonable.

[Sola Di Ryuvia]

Originally posted by Vythal:

Well, Jeanne D'Arc Alter can't exist outside FGO IIRC.
I'd say the same for Saber Alter and F/SN HF, buuuuut FGO somehow has her summonable.

scathach cant exist outside FGO either yet here she is, shes still "alive" lore wise and not summonable but summoning rules in general don't exist in extella/Extra universe. (example Neil Armstrong) So jeanne alter is do-able as a money scheme im sure.

[Sansei Muramasa]

Originally posted by Vythal:

Well, Jeanne D'Arc Alter can't exist outside FGO IIRC.
I'd say the same for Saber Alter and F/SN HF, buuuuut FGO somehow has her summonable.

Why can't they be summonable?
This isn't a normal Fate game where you summon a servant lol.
There are a servant of a lot of different servants that tie to one master.
So that makes no sense how they can't include the alter characters lol.

[carl ruins everything]

Originally posted by Sola Vi Ryuvia:

Originally posted by Vythal:

Well, Jeanne D'Arc Alter can't exist outside FGO IIRC.
I'd say the same for Saber Alter and F/SN HF, buuuuut FGO somehow has her summonable.

scathach cant exist outside FGO either yet here she is, shes still "alive" lore wise and not summonable but summoning rules in general don't exist in extella/Extra universe. (example Neil Armstrong) So jeanne alter is do-able as a money scheme im sure.

Originally posted by Sola Vi Ryuvia:

(example Neil Armstrong)

I actually had to look this up because I couldn't tell if you were joking or not and dear god you weren't.

Apparently Neil Armstrong is heavily implied to have been a quickly-defeated servant in Extra, and in the (kinda ♥♥♥♥♥♥ imo) anime adapation we see a servant in an American space suit after having his ass kicked. Even though the moon landing was just 50 years ago.

Dear god, all the rules for servants really have gone out the window aside from "some time has to have passed so we can be sure they left a mark on culture/history." At this point, we're probably going to see Robert J. O'Neill get added to F/GO in a year or two for being the guy who shot Osama Bin Laden even though that was back in 2011. That's how bad Type-Moon must be running out of ideas for things here.

Jesus.

[kopiC]

No reason Fate/Extella can't add any heroes.
Fate/Ext is based on Fate/Extra series. F/E is not on same universe as F/sn. It's far in future 3020AD. Creators have freedom to add any characters from F/sn, F/A, F/GO. Same for contemporary world changers as heroes.
The only issue is getting the rights to use them in game X-D



Back in 2007(I think), Type-Moon already planned move on to other projects, stop expanding Fate series.

Current heroes may look different, but core heroic quality/personality is same, overused to point of fatigue and predictable. Now with more poorly fleshed-out heroes, and recycled theme. Fundamental rules are changed on wimp (fun to watch how hero out-smart the rules, frustrating to watch rule changes on wimp during a game in progress). Everything is a mess.

If Fate/Extella focus more on gameplay and less story continuity, may just make it. We do love musou style + character growth/skill customization + dream match.

[Sola Di Ryuvia]

They could add a ton more amazing servants if they keep expanding such as herc, mordred, cursed arm, Emiya (assassin), Cleopatra, or even cross over like they did with shiki to get another assassin in the mix. There is a large number they could add to fill current class voids and i'm sure they could keep some sort of wars in extella going with these "newer" servants. I just personally don't want to see another kinda forced down the throat story, to me Link had a kinda lower quality story. 1 big bad guy tries assimilation of world. All the story lines lead to same ending basically (not 100% same but honestly close enough to me). Only final ending was anything worthwhile to me. I liked the mutiple stories of Umbra Star individual stories and then the main ones that gave many perspectives to the conflict. That one I truely invested into the characters. Link I dunno...just didn't feel so good. Did not care much for forced rescue by charlie either bothers me rules of command seal broke. Should only summon a pre-contracted and the one summoner is thinking of ex:umu or foxy only. (unless that rule changed)

[domenic931]

I would image lore-wise Alters never existed(except maybe Saber alter in the grailwar) so the mooncell could not record them, the only reason Salter exists is because Saber was corrupted by the Grail mud, and as far as we have seen the mooncell is not corrupted.

[kopiC]

Let's not forget Fate/Extra universe do have parallel world: F/E Last Encore. So they can easily create an parallel where mooncell do have mud like corruption.

F/Grand Order Arcade do have lots of characters, with updated models and animations, that are easy to bring over to F/Extella universe. As long as its a fun and good quality musou game, I don't mind dev taking shortcuts.

Of course main problem is how all these characters are going to play differently......let's not rush into things.