Was enjoying until constant sodomy

[Phixate]

I find it completely unnecessary to have sodomy as a feature of this game. I've played it for 30 hours and this has popped up 3 times. It ruins my enjoyment of this game. I won't be playing it anymore.

[cromagnonman2k]

Yeah, it’s somewhat abnormal how little time is spent in harbor once you’re rich af. You’d think the crew would regularly be going on the spree at the end of profitable voyages, with the occasional retirement. It’s ironic that you can only get syphilis at sea...

[Phixate]

Wouldn't prostitution be a much bigger issue? I mean, where are all the brothels? It seems to me the cities are missing a red light district. Might as well if you are going to have sodomy in the game. That is if realism is what you're going for, then why not go all out? Seems like the developers specifically picked homosexuality and made a point to throw it out there often. In my experience gays have a tendency to throw it in your face. If you ever wonder why us "closet homosexuals" are upset maybe that's why. The argument is completely one-sided and the masses have been programmed to say anyone vehemently opposed to it is in the closet. No, we just think it's disgusting and wish we didn't have to have it forced upon us at every turn. I would say they should keep it to themselves but then I would be a hypocrite because I evangelize my religious beliefs. So, maybe I should be glad that people are free to express themselves so I can be free to share the Gospel with them. It's a double-edged sword for sure.

I don't think it's wrong to play a game with this in it necessarily. It's a personal decision and I felt compelled to express why I thought it ruins the game for someone of my convictions. If a movie has gratuitous sex or violence or content I think is unacceptable I turn it off. Same thing. I specifically call out sexual immorality because it's a large part of the satanic NWO agenda to destroy God's design for the family, and the Bible talks extensively on this subject warning against it.

If we want to look at it from a technical standpoint I think it's uncouth to take a prestige point for firing a sodomite if you don't have that trait. I will say that this has got me thinking about what I would do if I owned a business and a flamer was getting a bit overzealous. Would I fire them and risk being sued?

[devxx]

Seems like the developers specifically picked homosexuality

again, it's the book Moby-D:ick this game is "based on". while there was not gay porn in the book, there were (many) overtones of homosexuality between the leading characters. THAT'S WHY sodomy is in the game because it was "in the book", it's part of the narrative. likewise, there was no prostitution or brothels in the book hence not in the game. based on what i've read here i wish they'd just left it out altogether.

[Shenji]

Originally posted by Brygun:

Well to be fair we could use some more hetreo activity references.
We do hear about crew having wives and children in their personal quests.

Our Captain could use some lady lovin' for himself.
(context of history the Captain's were male)

Like the "stay in port" option I've recommended with some shore side events. Like: you see a brothel do you go in? You see a pretty lady shopping do you follow? A dirty poor lady is selling flowers do you buy one? You see a lady teaching school do you wait until after class? You've become a rich whaler and are invited to a charity ball where you can dance with eligble ladies do you attend?

You can take the OPs first post as it is all ♥♥♥♥ relations that get events. We really need some hetero stuff.

Whose with me on wanting their num nums?

Yes it's a fair suggestion and I think Dev should consider it seriously. Historically the syphilis was the far more dangerous threat to common (hetreo) sailors than sharks and pirates, and it's incurable until mid 20the century.
But men just need to release their steams especially after a long exhaustive journey, and every time the boat anchored in port there should be chances that your crews would catch something unpleasant.

[dunka2]

There is actually a rather oblique reference to prostitution in the game. Sometimes after leaving port there will be an event where your captian notices that one of the crew isn't looking too well. It has a low chance of giving that crew member the Syphilis state. Syphilis was of course one of the more prevalent STIs amongst prostitutes and was known as the Sailor's Disease because of its prevalence amongst sailors who were the primary clients of port frequenting prostitutes.

Admittedly though, the event does not in any way make this connection clear.

[Jean Vicquemare]

Originally posted by phixate:

I find it completely unnecessary to have sodomy as a feature of this game. I've played it for 30 hours and this has popped up 3 times. It ruins my enjoyment of this game. I won't be playing it anymore.

Whip them until they realize that they're on a ship and not a sex shop :)

[President Jyrgunkarrd]

Originally posted by phixate:

I find it completely unnecessary to have sodomy as a feature of this game. I've played it for 30 hours and this has popped up 3 times. It ruins my enjoyment of this game. I won't be playing it anymore.

Gay people? In MY videogames?

I'm calling the police!

[Jean Vicquemare]

Originally posted by xxharumi:

There is actually a rather oblique reference to prostitution in the game. Sometimes after leaving port there will be an event where your captian notices that one of the crew isn't looking too well. It has a low chance of giving that crew member the Syphilis state. Syphilis was of course one of the more prevalent STIs amongst prostitutes and was known as the Sailor's Disease because of its prevalence amongst sailors who were the primary clients of port frequenting prostitutes.

Admittedly though, the event does not in any way make this connection clear.

It was this and not the uncommon line of captain saying "Did I sleep with a prostitute"?

[Brygun]

I recall an important add campaign of earlier decades:

"Just say no"

[Brygun]

Originally posted by Coffee:

Whip them until they realize that they're on a ship and not a sex shop :)

Uhmmmm..... that might not... "work out"... as you hoped.

[Jean Vicquemare]

Originally posted by Brygun:

Originally posted by Coffee:

Whip them until they realize that they're on a ship and not a sex shop :)

Uhmmmm..... that might not... "work out"... as you hoped.

If they're morale gets high enough you'll be bombarded with their little pop ups asking for you to teach them the same things over again. It's rather annoying, so I try to keep their morale in the 20s

[President Jyrgunkarrd]

Originally posted by BuddySloth:

I mean, literally, there is no sodomy in the text of the book. Again, you can talk about subtext if you want, and there's some merit there, but there are no sex scenes in the novel.

"...I squeezed that sperm till a strange sort of insanity came over me; and I found myself unwittingly squeezing my co-laborers' hands in it, mistaking their hands for the gentle globules. Such an abounding, affectionate, friendly, loving feeling did this avocation beget; that at last I was continually squeezing their hands, and looking up into their eyes..."

This is about homosexuality & sex. Melville is not literally talking about sailors squeezing each others' hands - he is talking about them having sex with each other, using metaphor.

The 'funny' thing is that Melville's social commentary here is in the negative: he deliberately frames the sexual relationship between Ishmael & Queequeg as destructive, with every escalation of passion causing harm to either one of the men or both of them, until Queequeg death. The metaphor is homophobic.

The OP is so bigoted that they don't even realize that the homosexual commentary of the text condemns the practice; all they saw was Teh Gehy and they had a kneejerk reaction.

[Jean Vicquemare]

Originally posted by Coffee:

Originally posted by Brygun:

Uhmmmm..... that might not... "work out"... as you hoped.

If they're morale gets high enough you'll be bombarded with their little pop ups asking for you to teach them the same things over again. It's rather annoying, so I try to keep their morale in the 20s

Just realized it was a joke. Clever.

[Jean Vicquemare]

Originally posted by themidnightfoundation:

Originally posted by BuddySloth:

I mean, literally, there is no sodomy in the text of the book. Again, you can talk about subtext if you want, and there's some merit there, but there are no sex scenes in the novel.

"...I squeezed that sperm till a strange sort of insanity came over me; and I found myself unwittingly squeezing my co-laborers' hands in it, mistaking their hands for the gentle globules. Such an abounding, affectionate, friendly, loving feeling did this avocation beget; that at last I was continually squeezing their hands, and looking up into their eyes..."

This is about homosexuality & sex. Melville is not literally talking about sailors squeezing each others' hands - he is talking about them having sex with each other, using metaphor.

The 'funny' thing is that Melville's social commentary here is in the negative: he deliberately frames the sexual relationship between Ishmael & Queequeg as destructive, with every escalation of passion causing harm to either one of the men or both of them, until Queequeg death. The metaphor is homophobic.

The OP is so bigoted that they don't even realize that the homosexual commentary of the text condemns the practice; all they saw was Teh Gehy and they had a kneejerk reaction.

This is not a rant. I'm not homophobic. And I do not want to creators to change anything related to sodomy in the game. They have executed events like these nearly perfectly.]

Subtext is fine but along with a large amount of people I assume, I don't want to play a game centered around homosexuality. I want to play a game centered around the historical events that lead to adventures like these.

Sodomy may have occured in the past like many other historical events in this game, however, the topic is not as crucial in the leading events of hunting for Mody Di__.

I personally like how this game is for the most part and I feel the sodomy going on is a perfectly viable attribute that can occur as an "event".

[President Jyrgunkarrd]

Moby ♥♥♥♥ is not a book about a whale hunt. It's not even a great revenge tragedy, as modern pop culture tends to frame it.

Homosexuality is absolutely a central focus of the book. That doesn't mean it needs to be central to the game, but saying it is superfluous or just a dash of color is missing the whole point of the text.