Will it run? Probably a stupid question, and I think I know the answer, but asking anyway.

[escribblings]

I have a lovely laptop, but it only has integrated graphics. From what I can tell, they're well below the equivalent minimum specs, but it's hard to compare integrated to discrete.

For reference I am running Win 11 Home 22621 on the following...

i7-1260P, Iris Xe G7 (96EU), 16GB LPDDR5 with a max res of 1080p

Will it run? I am assuming not, but I thought I'd ask

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escribblings eredeti hozzászólása:

I have a lovely laptop, but it only has integrated graphics. From what I can tell, they're well below the equivalent minimum specs, but it's hard to compare integrated to discrete.

For reference I am running Win 11 Home 22621 on the following...

i7-1260P, Iris Xe G7 (96EU), 16GB LPDDR5 with a max res of 1080p

Will it run? I am assuming not, but I thought I'd ask

Nope. Your computer doens't meet the minimum requirements. You can not play this game correctly. You must have a dedicated video card to play this game correctly.

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It should. If it runs well enough for you to be happy with it is up to you though, and you can get a refund if you aren't.

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Just so everyone finding this thread is aware: The system requirements posted for a game are there for a reason. The word "REQUIREMENTS" is in there. As in you must have that hardware or faster to play the game correctly.

Most people would see the system requirements for a game and if they know their computer is slower than what is posted they just don't buy the game or bother trying to play it. Even if it does work it would be so incredibly slow that it wouldn't be close to an enjoyable experience so there's no point in trying.

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Aquafawks eredeti hozzászólása:

apple juice eredeti hozzászólása:

It should. If it runs well enough for you to be happy with it is up to you though, and you can get a refund if you aren't.

Just so everyone finding this thread is aware: The system requirements posted for a game are there for a reason. The word "REQUIREMENTS" is in there. As in you must have that hardware or faster to play the game correctly.

Most people would see the system requirements for a game and if they know their computer is slower than what is posted they just don't buy the game or bother trying to play it. Even if it does work it would be so incredibly slow that it wouldn't be close to an enjoyable experience so there's no point in trying.

What the heck? I told you I didn't want you as a friend because I don't know you. Are you now following everything I write in the steam forums, stalking me and trying to reply to me? What is your problem?

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apple juice eredeti hozzászólása:

What the heck? I told you I didn't want you as a friend because I don't know you. Are you now following everything I write in the steam forums, stalking me and trying to reply to me? What is your problem?

I wrote that in a different thread in a reply to someone else. It wasn't directed at you. It doesn't even have anything to do you, this thread, or this topic. Why are you quoting something I wrote somewhere else out of context in a different thread?

[escribblings]

Aquafawks eredeti hozzászólása:

Nope. Your computer doens't meet the minimum requirements. You can not play this game correctly. You must have a dedicated video card to play this game correctly.

The minimum posted specs don't always meet the absolute bare minimum that will actually run a game, I've experienced this in the past.

Plus we're dealing with advances in tech since the game was released, so what was once the remit of dedicated graphics may no longer be. Whilst I was under no illusion that the game would work, I felt there was a possibility it might.

Aquafawks eredeti hozzászólása:

Just so everyone finding this thread is aware: The system requirements posted for a game are there for a reason. The word "REQUIREMENTS" is in there. As in you must have that hardware or faster to play the game correctly.

Most people would see the system requirements for a game and if they know their computer is slower than what is posted they just don't buy the game or bother trying to play it. Even if it does work it would be so incredibly slow that it wouldn't be close to an enjoyable experience so there's no point in trying.

See my reply above. No need to be so condescending.

apple juice eredeti hozzászólása:

It should. If it runs well enough for you to be happy with it is up to you though, and you can get a refund if you aren't.

Thank you. I took a punt.

Guess what, it's actually working!

I've got the settings on max and apart from the laptops fans going into overdrive, and the battery draining while being plugged in, it's absolutely playable.

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escribblings eredeti hozzászólása:

apple juice eredeti hozzászólása:

It should. If it runs well enough for you to be happy with it is up to you though, and you can get a refund if you aren't.

Thank you. I took a punt.

Guess what, it's actually working!

I've got the settings on max and apart from the laptops fans going into overdrive, and the battery draining while being plugged in, it's absolutely playable.

Cool, glad it's working.

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escribblings eredeti hozzászólása:

See my reply above. No need to be so condescending.

I was not being condescending at all.

apple juice eredeti hozzászólása:

I've got the settings on max and apart from the laptops fans going into overdrive, and the battery draining while being plugged in, it's absolutely playable.

This is why I wrote my messages above and I feel I need to write this one here as well: If I didn't comment in this thread then other people with integrated graphics / no video card would find this thread and think they can play the game. Which by the way: Your comments in the past and that comment there is *VERY* misleading to others.

Just because you got it working does not mean that it will work for anyone else. Just because it appears to work now does not mean it will still run smoothly for you later. Most likely you are going to find later in the game when you start working on 2-3 computers at the same time + have lots of emails from customers in the email app that the game will start to slow down quite a lot for you and end up being very slow later because you don't have a video card. By then you will be past the 2 hour return window in Steam, you won't be able to refund it, and you will also have a game that's slow and unplayable. Just because it works now does not mean it is going to work CORRECTLY later. That is where having a real video card would be kind of useful.

I'm trying to help people understand things and also try my best to help inform people that find this thread: If you have an iGPU or APU you are in for a very poor experience in this game without a real video card and you should know that before you try to pay for it and play it.

[escribblings]

Well so far my experience is contrary to what you are claiming.

But let me be clear, I am NOT misleading (intentionally or otherwise) other people into believing their hardware will work.

I have since lowered my settings to minimum, not because the game was unplayable, but simply to reduce the stress on my system.

For reference, on max settings within Intel Arc Control and in game, I am not dropping below 24 FPS. Yes this is low, but as we're not rendering millions of raindrops, leaves and blades of grass in a panorama, hundreds of military units on a battlefield, or needing twitch responses in a first person shooter, 24 FPS is absolutely fine.

By dropping the settings to the minimum, I can double get 45 FPS min, and 50 FPS most of the time.

Now I stated in my opening question that I wasn't expecting this to work. I am using a productivity device, not a gaming device. I am well aware of its limitations, but that doesn't mean to say it can't be done.

Note, if you go back and read the minimum requirements it states "integrated graphics may work, but are not supported"[/i?
As I also mentioned, there have been significant advances in technology (it's a 5 year old game with 10 year old minimum hardware requirement) and its not really possible to get good direct comparisons between integrated/mobile GPUs and their discrete desktop counterparts.

For example, I have read that the Iris XE G7 is close to the MX350. This in turn supposedly comparable to a GTX 1050 (albeit crippled), which is then compared back to the GTX 960M - but these cards allegedly benchmark nowhere near each other.

So why is it working so well for me?

Well it could be more is being rendered in software (I believe it's created in Unity/OpenGL), and the fact my CPU annihilates the i5 listed could play a part.

So lets have a raw data side by side:

	Intel Core i5-2500K	Intel Core i7-1260P	NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660	Intel Iris XE Graphics G7 96EU
(P-)Cores/SMX/EU	4	4	5	96
Frequency	3.3 GHz	2.1 GHz	968 MHz	300 Mhz
Boost	3.7 GHz	4.7 GHz	1032 MHz	1400 MHz
L1 cache	256 KB (64 KB / core)	320 KB (80 KB / core)	80 KB (16 KB / SMX)
L2 cache	1024 KB (256 KB / core)	5120 KB (1280 KB / core)	384 KB	1024 KB
E-Cores		8
Frequency		1.5 GHz
Boost		3.4 GHz
L1 cache		768 KB (96 KB / cor0)e
L2 cache		4096 (2048 KB / 4 E-cores)
L3 cache	6144 KB	18432 KB
Shading units			960	768
TMUs			80	48
ROPs			24	24
Pixel rate			26.40 GPixel/s	20.64 GPixel/s
Texture rate			82.56 GTexel/s	52.80 GTexel/s
FP16 (half) performance				3.379 TFLOPS (2:1)
FP32 (float) performance			1.981 TFLOPS	1.690 TFLOPS
FP64 (double) performance			82.56 GFLOPS (1:24)	422.4 GFLOPS (1:4)

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escribblings eredeti hozzászólása:

For reference, on max settings within Intel Arc Control and in game, I am not dropping below 24 FPS. Yes this is low, but as we're not rendering millions of raindrops, leaves and blades of grass in a panorama, hundreds of military units on a battlefield, or needing twitch responses in a first person shooter, 24 FPS is absolutely fine.

Have you tried putting 3 computers on the work benches and have them all 3 running 3dmark at he same time? Do you have hundreds of spare parts in your inventory and try to open inventory like that on your system? Did you leave a lot of previous customer emails in the email client + lots of spare parts in inventory + 3 machines running 3dmark at the same time and then see how the game performs?

Even despite that and even if it's just walking around in the small single computer shop room 24 FPS is NOT FINE AT ALL in this game. That's awful. Like I said before, twice now: That is not running the game PROPERLY. That is a misreable experience no one should think is acceptable at all.

Thank you for at least being honest and proving my point I have been saying all along: If people try playing this game on any kind of integrated graphics chip it will be a terrible experience and not worth playing. Just get a real computer with a real video card so you can enjoy it properly.

[escribblings]

Oh wow, so apparently even though it's perfectly acceptable for ME, I still shouldn't be playing it on the hardware I have because YOU say so!

You must be such fun at parties...

What gives you the right to criticize what others find acceptable?

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escribblings eredeti hozzászólása:

Oh wow, so apparently even though it's perfectly acceptable for ME, I still shouldn't be playing it on the hardware I have because YOU say so!

You must be such fun at parties...

What gives you the right to criticize what others find acceptable?

No right at all. If you're willing to play a game in an incredibly slow and laggy way on your potato computer then have fun with that. But I just wanted to do my part to make sure others would know to avoid this experience if at all possible.

I have tried playing this game at 24 FPS before on older hardware and it was truely awful as I said. I couldn't stand it for more than a few seconds. The input delay alone is the worst. for example: Move the mouse around while standing in the shop and wait multiple seconds before the camera actually turns for example. Just no.. that's very bad.

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Aquafawks eredeti hozzászólása:

escribblings eredeti hozzászólása:

See my reply above. No need to be so condescending.

I was not being condescending at all.

apple juice eredeti hozzászólása:

I've got the settings on max and apart from the laptops fans going into overdrive, and the battery draining while being plugged in, it's absolutely playable.

This is why I wrote my messages above and I feel I need to write this one here as well: If I didn't comment in this thread then other people with integrated graphics / no video card would find this thread and think they can play the game. Which by the way: Your comments in the past and that comment there is *VERY* misleading to others.

Just because you got it working does not mean that it will work for anyone else. Just because it appears to work now does not mean it will still run smoothly for you later. Most likely you are going to find later in the game when you start working on 2-3 computers at the same time + have lots of emails from customers in the email app that the game will start to slow down quite a lot for you and end up being very slow later because you don't have a video card. By then you will be past the 2 hour return window in Steam, you won't be able to refund it, and you will also have a game that's slow and unplayable. Just because it works now does not mean it is going to work CORRECTLY later. That is where having a real video card would be kind of useful.

I'm trying to help people understand things and also try my best to help inform people that find this thread: If you have an iGPU or APU you are in for a very poor experience in this game without a real video card and you should know that before you try to pay for it and play it.

- 1. I have this game running on a dang GT 730, while nowhere near high settings and not
1080p, I'm running it.

- 2. Even if a game is slow and unplayable on my current system, I keep it. Because one
day if I am still a gamer by that day, I will have a PC that can run that game.

- 3. While iGPUs are usually heavily underpowered and are only designed for displaying
video and running light apps, APUs (like ones from AMDs Ryzen lineup) are very good
at gaming for their price (*CPU Price* + 0$) and can run games such as Forza Horizon 5,
one of todays most graphically intensive games, at 1080p Medium settings or higher
depending on how deep you dive into maxing out settings for performance.

Aquafawks eredeti hozzászólása:

escribblings eredeti hozzászólása:

Oh wow, so apparently even though it's perfectly acceptable for ME, I still shouldn't be playing it on the hardware I have because YOU say so!

You must be such fun at parties...

What gives you the right to criticize what others find acceptable?

No right at all. If you're willing to play a game in an incredibly slow and laggy way on your potato computer then have fun with that. But I just wanted to do my part to make sure others would know to avoid this experience if at all possible.

I will have fun, because I'm playing the game I want to play, on my terms of my own, not someone else's terms that they have and think I should follow because to them it's the right terms.

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TechOfSteel eredeti hozzászólása:

I will have fun, because I'm playing the game I want to play, on my terms of my own, not someone else's terms that they have and think I should follow because to them it's the right terms.

Just because it's acceptable to you does not mean it's acceptable to everyone. Most people would never cope with that situation. I'm just doing my part to try and give people a realistic expectation of what this game is like if they try to play it on hardware below the minimum requirements, that's all.

As I have said before and I will repeat it again: People should have a real dedicated video card and one that at least meets the system requirements to play the game CORRECTLY.

It's great that you're comfortable with games running slow, laggy, choppy, and borderline completely unresponsive. More power to you and have fun with that. At the same time though you should understand that most of the rest of the world would never do that.

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TechOfSteel eredeti hozzászólása:

I will have fun, because I'm playing the game I want to play, on my terms of my own, not someone else's terms that they have and think I should follow because to them it's the right terms.

You must be new here, you're not allowed to have fun unless aquafawks gives you permission.