PC Building Simulator

PC Building Simulator

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jpanzitta Apr 22, 2018 @ 7:55am
How do you figure out what CPU is compatible with a mother board?
How do you figure out what CPU is compatible with a mother board?
I have to upgrade a CPU to play Grand Theft Auto. It says I need an Intel Pentium G4500. I bought the Intel Pentium G4560. To me they look the same. However the 4560 fits but the 4500 is incompatable. To me they look the same. Thanks
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blueshift1980 Apr 22, 2018 @ 7:57am 
Yeah it's not easy to remember with the Pentiums and Celerons, if you can't figure it out I'd just google what chipset they are
Jacknm2 Apr 22, 2018 @ 8:01am 
They SHOULD work but iirc the 4560 is a kaby lake cpu. This is newer

The G4500 is a Skylake CPU. This is older

They both work on the same socket but the Z170 motherboard needs a bios flash to accept the newer CPU's - This however is not possible in the game right now.

Basically:

Pentium G4500 = Skylake Z170 Motherboard
Pentium G4560 = Kabylake Z270 Motherboard.

And then there is the Coffee lake Z370 Motherboards later down the line. All you need to make sure is you match the correct code names together.
Last edited by Jacknm2; Apr 22, 2018 @ 8:03am
Originally posted by jpanzitta:
How do you figure out what CPU is compatible with a mother board?
I have to upgrade a CPU to play Grand Theft Auto. It says I need an Intel Pentium G4500. I bought the Intel Pentium G4560. To me they look the same. However the 4560 fits but the 4500 is incompatable. To me they look the same. Thanks

Remove the processor from the system and then open inventory and look at it. It will say Skylake Kaby Lake, or Coffee Lake on it. Then when you go to the buy store to buy, the motherboards say Skylake, Kaby Lake, or Coffee Lake on it. Also right now the AMD motherboards say AM4 socket or TR4 socket. Then go find a motherboard that says AM4 or TR4 on it. It's very easy.
Last edited by 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊; Apr 22, 2018 @ 3:03pm
Obiwan Apr 22, 2018 @ 2:27pm 
It staggers me how everyone praises how realistic and "educational" this is and yet not one single person answered -

Socket.

Kaby, Sky, Icey, Sugary or Coffee it does not matter. Socket is the only answer but that's why so-called professionals can be found saying things like "I have never flashed the bios".
Last edited by Obiwan; Apr 22, 2018 @ 2:29pm
Originally posted by Obiwan:
It staggers me how everyone praises how realistic and "educational" this is and yet not one single person answered -

Socket.

Kaby, Sky, Icey, Sugary or Coffee it does not matter. Socket is the only answer but that's why so-called professionals can be found saying things like "I have never flashed the bios".

The reason I did not say that is right now there are different motherboards in game and labeled differently in game. This game labels them as Skylake, Kaby Lake and Coffee Lake (motherboards) in the shop. It also labels the processors as Skylake, Kaby Lake, and Coffee Lake. Even though they are all socket LGA-1151, they are labeled differently in game. And we have to match up the code name of the processor with the code name of the motherboard for the different cores.

Therefore you can not tell someone about this game "LGA 1151 processors go in 1151 motherboards" for example, as that would just confuse them.

I'm trying to help the OP here understand how to find the correct compatible parts, -IN THIS GAME-, not educate them on real life. They asked about the game, I answered about the game.
Last edited by 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊; Apr 22, 2018 @ 3:06pm
Obiwan Apr 22, 2018 @ 7:59pm 
No you misunderstand me Imp.

I know why you said it. But so many people are talking like they "know computers" and praising the game in terms of its realism that the fact it doesn't use sockets which is a simple concept that other similar games use is a bit - like I am desperately trying to be objective and I don't own the game but watch it get played for several weekends now and as a professional and by professional I mean actual tech not someone who makes a PC every 4 years and thinks they know everything about computers - I find the game laughably amateur.

Even some of the conceptual stuff - the dot method to apply the thermal paste - that is rookie PC building 101.

The fact that rather than working out a shop you appear to be working in your own basement.

The game screams enthusiast/hobbyest to me it does not scream professional technician and I know many egos' will be crushed reading this but if you don't think there is a diference you already revoked your right to argue.

I know the game is obviously early days but I do not foresee things like the dot method changing and anyone coming in here telling me that is how you should do it will be prompty patted on the head and smiled at. It absolutely is not and for a game that seems to be taken ALL the headlines right now it is a sin that lesser known, lower budget titles are doing far far greater job of emulating what the REAL industry methods and experiences are like.

There are aspects of this game that suggest the people creating it think they know more about PC's than they actually do or atleast from a professional perspective - know very little.
Originally posted by Obiwan:
There are aspects of this game that suggest the people creating it think they know more about PC's than they actually do or atleast from a professional perspective - know very little.

Maybe they're trying to remain "Somewhat accurate" even though they have to dumb it down for non-techy people to understand?
Pyrii Apr 23, 2018 @ 12:36am 
As someone who's been taking computers apart since I was 12, while Ryzen+ CPUs and boards are "backward compatible" (after a bios flash). Intel have been locking CPUs to specific chipsets lately, even though the socket and specs are the same. 1xx motherboards will support Kaby lake after a bios update. 2xx will support skylake out of the box. 3xx are coffee lake only.

The game currently locks motherboards to specific types of CPUs (they will state Kaby,c offee or skylake), BIOS flashing is a requested feature in the feedback forum but 1xx/2xx won't support coffee lake and visa-versa since that's what the real intel is doing.
Last edited by Pyrii; Apr 23, 2018 @ 12:42am
zipper76 Apr 23, 2018 @ 2:17am 
Just throwing this out there. The ingame store has a sorting feature. You can sort by just about any parameter you wish, including showing only Skylake or only Kaby Lake processors.
Jacknm2 Apr 23, 2018 @ 6:09am 
Originally posted by Obiwan:
It staggers me how everyone praises how realistic and "educational" this is and yet not one single person answered -

Socket.

Kaby, Sky, Icey, Sugary or Coffee it does not matter. Socket is the only answer but that's why so-called professionals can be found saying things like "I have never flashed the bios".
I left this out for the exact reason mentioned by IRT - Socket's are idenitcal, so why confuse them further? The game currently only supports AM4 and Socket 1151 - so saying they go in 1151 boards would only confuse them and they would respond "I am putting it in a 1151" - As an industry professional you should appreciate how rather inept the average PC user can be.

I don't see truck drivers flocking to Eurotruck sim pointing out its not exactly true to life - Farming Sim the same... name a sim....

The recent video by linus even shows how inept it is a showing people from scratch how to build - It doesn' conform to exact PC building unless they actually follow the tutorial and even then as you've pointed out its not great like how you can just unplug wihtout a second thought to anything.

What's your problem with the dot method within the game? I'm unsure of this, also I'm pretty sure any one, regardless of enthusiast or profession has their own method they've found works in applying TIM.

I also like, how you're pretty sure nothing will get changed.... you're also a clairvoyant it seems. None of us know what will happen within the development of the game. It's early days and things may or may not change, its simply implimenting the core features first and then correcting or fine tuning and of course every ones favourite "optimisation".

I'm pretty sure that this:
Originally posted by Obiwan:
I don't own the game but watch it get played for several weekends now and as a professional and by professional I mean actual tech not someone who makes a PC every 4 years and thinks they know everything about computers - I find the game laughably amateur.
Is rather presumptious, who is this for? is it a statment regarding the average person you've seen repsond in the forums as of late or are you calling out someone here, seeing how only 3 of us answered previous to this comment and you've already ruled our friend IRT here who is it for? Who did you have to belittle with your might industry prowess in your blindness into why my answer in particular was so laymen?
Last edited by Jacknm2; Apr 23, 2018 @ 6:47am
Obiwan Apr 24, 2018 @ 12:12am 
What's your problem with the dot method within the game? I'm unsure of this, also I'm pretty sure any one, regardless of enthusiast or profession has their own method they've found works in applying TIM.

Crap like this.

Do you even know why the dot method is so stupid? do you understand how thermal paste works and what each "method" does with regard to distributing it on the CPU and the differences that will consistently be seen depending on which is used and the reason why?

If the answer is no then why are you questioning me?

I will humor you on the off chance that your question is sincere despite the fact you ask the question but then tarnish it with the excuse that everyone has their way.

It is true many do have different ways and usually more for the reason of not doing damage or putting too much.

Again the inability to relate means that I really hope you don't have the nerve to ask me and then refute what I say because the fact is you wouldn't need to ask if you had removed thousands of heatsinks and coolers.

It is very clear why the dot method is garbage and that is because it only actually coves around 60% of the surface of the chip. All for corners will have absolutely no thermal between the chip and the sink consequenly raising its own questions depending on how much was spent on said cooler.

the "methods" you refer to are the application of the paste and usually result in that being the only thing done prior to the sink being mounted.

the game shows the dot method and it shows said un-protected aspects of the chip and all I am saying is that it has no place calling itself a simulation of professional building.

The correct way is to ensure a thin layer across the entirety of the chip surface and this is where lines, dots and such really do not matter, what matters is ensuring the entire chip surface is covered BEFORE applying the sink and having the skill and technique to know how much is needed to ensure that it doesnt ooze out and over the hardware.

Considering any level of failure to do the proper method can result in a chip welded to the socket as I said the reason for the "methods" is less professional and far more about avoiding that scenario.

TL:DR - the dot method does not properly distribute the thermal to the chip surface and what the game implies is the same lazy and amateur practice. There is only one way and one way only to do it and the "methods" are simply a means to remove the risk factor the proper way presents.

Any method that does not involve a thin piece of card or something to spread and layer out the paste evenly and thin is wrong and it is simple as that.

Before you even think about telling me otherwise try it for yourself. Or since we do live in the era of the internet you can search for images of chips that have been removed and note the difference between the various methods and how utterly exposed the chip is with things like the "dot" and "line" method. You can also see similarly how the "border" method often results in overflow and can leave the center completely exposed.

Obiwan Apr 24, 2018 @ 12:20am 
"belittle with your might industry prowess "

So basically you admit in one comment you are not in the industry and also fall under the standard millenial stereotype as someone who has no respect for expertise. A very common and defining trait of said demographic.

Ironic and equally telling that you actually think in a case where someone is willing to argue with people who may or may not have far more experience than they do while KNOWING that they do not have but persist in arguing and commenting regardless - that you are the one being belittled and insulted.

When you deal with this to the levels and frequency I do you will understand why my tolerance and inclination to entertain it isn't particular high. But contrastingly when you know you are not an industry professional yet see fit to make flippant remarks like that - you really don't convince the world I didn't have a point to begin with.

I don't tell you how to do your job. Don't profess to think you know how to do mine.
Originally posted by Obiwan:
It is very clear why the dot method is garbage and that is because it only actually coves around 60% of the surface of the chip. All for corners will have absolutely no thermal between the chip and the sink consequenly raising its own questions depending on how much was spent on said cooler.

Just to help educate you, and everyone else, let's have a visual aid here. This is what Intel processors actually are beneath the metal plate:

https://images.anandtech.com/doci/8227/2%20TIM.png

The actual silicon is only in the center, and is rectangular in shape. You only need TIM where the chip is. A sizable, Pea-sized dot in the center will expand when compressed under the heatsink to either side and cover where the chip actually is under the metal. It is -NOT- necessary what so ever to cover any other areas of the heat spreader where the chip is not at. It does not boost or gain anything in tempatures or what so ever. The only thing that matters is covering the contact area of the heatsink it's self.

It's been discussed and documented and proven on video by Jayz, Linus tech tips and Gamer's Nexus, all with scientific comparison testing of many different methods. Dot, Line, X, multiple Dots. The end result in tempatures with the different methods is +/- within 1-5 degrees C of each other.

No one method is inefior to any other method. And attempting to belittle someone on the internet forums for having a different idea about how to do it just makes you look petty and small.

In fact, let's have a second visual aid.

See here: http://www.pcstats.com/articleimages/201206/install1155_DSCF3470.jpg

This is the bottom side of the factory Intel heatsink from Intel, that Intel ships with all of it's processors brand new. See that small round copper bit in the center? That's all that is needed to efficently transfer heat to the heatsink. See that little bit of grey in the middle of the copper? That is quite literally all of the thermal paste you get from the factory. Intel Engineers, the people that designed and created the processors, have figured out that this is the optimal amount of thermal paste necessary for a stock processor to operate properly under stock conditions, with the stock heatsink. No more, no less.
Last edited by 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊; Apr 24, 2018 @ 12:37am
Jacknm2 Apr 24, 2018 @ 3:40am 
Originally posted by Obiwan:
"belittle with your might industry prowess "

So basically you admit in one comment you are not in the industry and also fall under the standard millenial stereotype as someone who has no respect for expertise. A very common and defining trait of said demographic.

Ironic and equally telling that you actually think in a case where someone is willing to argue with people who may or may not have far more experience than they do while KNOWING that they do not have but persist in arguing and commenting regardless - that you are the one being belittled and insulted.

When you deal with this to the levels and frequency I do you will understand why my tolerance and inclination to entertain it isn't particular high. But contrastingly when you know you are not an industry professional yet see fit to make flippant remarks like that - you really don't convince the world I didn't have a point to begin with.

I don't tell you how to do your job. Don't profess to think you know how to do mine.
What an arrogant little man you are. (for context thats me being presumptious as you are debating like a mad little man with a complex.....)

Your also very presumptious and very defensive.

So why infact did you come here? Did the game some how insult you?

Edit: Actually read your previous comment about TIM - You clearly have a minimal understanding of material science and thermal conductive materials. Also the mighty industry prowess comment clearly went way over your head so I'm not even going to bother explaining it...lol
Last edited by Jacknm2; Apr 24, 2018 @ 4:07am
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