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rodonic01 9 MAR 2022 a las 8:42 a. m.
PC Building Simulator 2 Announced - Coming 2022 - Only on Epic Games Store
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRtowcZtaos
It will be only on Epic Games Store. :(
Última edición por rodonic01; 9 MAR 2022 a las 8:43 a. m.
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WolfEisberg 10 MAR 2022 a las 3:24 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por pandaizumi:
Publicado originalmente por Wrinkly:

Did IQ's just drop or do you have trouble with english? Show me where valve has stopped you selling it's titles through your store.

The reason I'm asking is due to claims that Valve forces exclusivity, yet no one is able to prove this.

BTW. This #STANDWITHUKRAINE is nothing more than playground mentality that is getting more people killed.


I mean... Just look at Left 4 Dead. The devs left Valve, made Back 4 Blood, and unlike Left 4 Dead, Back 4 Blood immediately was available on multiple stores instead of just Steam.

Ah yeah, Left 4 Dead, the game that was in development starting in Mid 2005 by Turtle Rock, announced in 2006, and then Valve bought Turtle Rock in January 2008 and the game released for the PC for Steam only in October 2008. Did anyone complain about that?
Freakazow 10 MAR 2022 a las 4:05 a. m. 
welp...
Wrinkly 10 MAR 2022 a las 4:10 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por #STANDWITHUKRAINE:
Publicado originalmente por Wrinkly:

Why do call Epic's exclusivity when they pay for exclusivity as described by their intent several years ago?

PC Building Simulator 2 isn't a contractual exclusivity to Epic Games Store, it is a first party title for Epic games since it is their own developers developing the game, and Epic is self publishing their own game. When Epic is the publisher of a game, regardless if it was developed in house or sourced to an outside developer, it's a first party game for Epic. In this case, the game is being developed by an Epic Games developer studio along with sourcing to an outside developer for support.

From the PC Building Simulator wiki -
PC Building Simulator is a simulation-strategy video game produced by The Irregular Corporation and Romanian independent developer Claudiu Kiss. The game is centered around owning and running a workshop which builds and maintains PCs, mainly gaming-oriented ones.
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Engine Unity

Now tell me how did PC Building Simulator 2, the sequel to PC Building Simulator, end up being an Epic self publish? Could it be possibly be somewhere along the same lines as games such as Rocket League or Fall Guys, two games that built up huge community support due to Steam, not to mention the free advertising?

Publicado originalmente por #STANDWITHUKRAINE:
As far as Valve wanting to sell their products on another store, of course they would, anything to make more sales.

Yet, Valve has not sold their games on other digital stores since releasing Steam in 2004. Actually, Valve has never sold any of their games on any other digital store in it's entire history, always been only on Steam.

Valve has not sold their games via other digital stores as no other store offers a new market, no other store has the community that Steam has. Uplay, Origin and EGS offer very little in features while suffocating customer feedback. Both Uplay and Origin are disliked by many, perhaps most, PC gamers, only being tolerated via Steam. GOG has it's history drenched in piracy, while Tim Sweeney despises PC gamers which rules out EGS. Both Ubisoft and EGS are backing NFT's, something we see Valve take a stance against due to the undesirable actors.

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Same way as EA, sells their titles on Steam, to maximise sales. Bethesda is now retiring it's own launcher in preference of Steam, again to maximise sales. Perhaps you just haven't been following Epic's anti-consumer practice over the last few years, or are you now simply trolling?

What does this have to do with Valve and Epic both choosing to keep their own games exclusive to their own stores?

It shows that other stores are very willing to sell through a third party store to gain sales. Do you really need this much hand holding? I've already said there is nothing stopping you from selling Valve titles on your own store, you just have to find a new market for them.
Última edición por Wrinkly; 10 MAR 2022 a las 4:10 a. m.
pandaizumi 10 MAR 2022 a las 4:29 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Wrinkly:

GOG has it's history drenched in piracy,

This holds little water when pretty much most pirated games come from the steam version and not even from the drm free gog versions.
Stinky 10 MAR 2022 a las 4:37 a. m. 
Oh hell no this looks just like PCBS 1....
pandaizumi 10 MAR 2022 a las 4:50 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Wrinkly:

It shows that other stores are very willing to sell through a third party store to gain sales. Do you really need this much hand holding? I've already said there is nothing stopping you from selling Valve titles on your own store, you just have to find a new market for them.

You're saying this but Valve/Steam also isn't willing to sell through a third party store. And actually there is something stopping anyone from selling Valve games outside of Steam. And that's Valve.

One specific case I mentioned is Turtle Rock Studio who Valve bought and their games were exclusive to Steam while Valve owned them. They left Valve, Back 4 Blood, their newest game isn't only available on Steam.

Edit: Also when Steam first launched, it didn't offer much new when it came to features either and yet Valve only ever made their games and games of Studios they owned exclusive to Steam. They never used a third party store to try and expand their sales. They wanted the only option to be Steam.
Última edición por pandaizumi; 10 MAR 2022 a las 5:09 a. m.
WolfEisberg 10 MAR 2022 a las 4:51 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Wrinkly:

Now tell me how did PC Building Simulator 2, the sequel to PC Building Simulator, end up being an Epic self publish? Could it be possibly be somewhere along the same lines as games such as Rocket League or Fall Guys, two games that built up huge community support due to Steam, not to mention the free advertising?

Epic owns the IP because they own the developers/publisher who made/published the first game.

PC Building Simulator 2 is a game not even released yet, since Epic is currently developing the game, therefore it doesn't have any kind of current user base on Steam.

Valve has not sold their games via other digital stores as no other store offers a new market, no other store has the community that Steam has. Uplay, Origin and EGS offer very little in features while suffocating customer feedback. Both Uplay and Origin are disliked by many, perhaps most, PC gamers, only being tolerated via Steam. GOG has it's history drenched in piracy, while Tim Sweeney despises PC gamers which rules out EGS. Both Ubisoft and EGS are backing NFT's, something we see Valve take a stance against due to the undesirable actors.

It shows that other stores are very willing to sell through a third party store to gain sales. Do you really need this much hand holding? I've already said there is nothing stopping you from selling Valve titles on your own store, you just have to find a new market for them.

Prove that Valve would be willing to have their games on other digital stores for the PC. And there is something stopping other stores from selling Valve's games, and that is Valve themselves. Obviously if Valve wanted to sell on other stores, then they would sell on other stores, something they have not done at all.

Are you done speaking complete non sense yet?
WolfEisberg 10 MAR 2022 a las 4:57 a. m. 
So anyways, back to the topic at hand so this factual point doesn't get lost:

PC Building Simulator IP is owned by Epic Games.
Epic Games is funding the development of the game
Epic Games in house developer studio is developing the game, along with an outside source for support
Epic games is self publishing the game
This makes PC Building Simulator 2 a first party game for Epic Games

Just like what Valve does with their own games by making them exclusive to their own store, Epic is also making this game which is their own a game exclusive to their own store.
pandaizumi 10 MAR 2022 a las 5:45 a. m. 
Honestly Steam originally was just a launcher for Valve to easily update their own multiplayer games. They never had plans to sell their IPs anywhere else once the Steam was created. It didn't become a store for other games until much later.

It's actually quite similar to how Epics IPs and Unreal Engine even before the store require Epic's own launcher. Epic is pretty much doing the same thing Valve did with Steam.
UstaTR 10 MAR 2022 a las 6:57 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por #STANDWITHUKRAINE:
Publicado originalmente por UstaYussuf:

You say that they are allowed to buy 3rd party developers, make their franchise exclusive to a launcher that is worse than most people are using? They can do whatever they want with their OWN games. But buying 3rd party developers and making their franchise EGS exlusive to force people into EGS is sh*tty practice and shouldn't be admired. Even if their launcher is better this doesn't makes this practice good. Microsoft bought Minecraft and they didn't make the franchise xbox and windows exclusive. When will you people understand this?

Why not? Valve bought Campo Santo, third party developer, and Campo Santo made Half Life Alxy, which is a sequel to an IP that Valve owns. Can you buy Half Life Alyx anywhere that isn't Steam? Nope.

So yeah, this is no different.

Once again, EGS haters are showing that none of their complaining is about being against third party exclusives only and first party exclusives are acceptable. Once again they are showing that only Valve is allowed to have first party exclusives but everyone else is not allowed to and it is considered anti-consumer. Really, none of this has to do with games being exclusive to a single store, you people are perfectly fine with that as long as it is Steam.

And PC Building Simulator is Epic's own game. Just like PC Building Simulator 2 is Epic's own game for multiple reasons which is they are the publisher, they funded the development of the game, and they own the IP. But none of that matters to you, only Valve is allowed to do that kind of stuff, and nobody else is allowed to.
I'm NOT talking about buying other companies to make games for them. I'm talking about making already existing franchises exclusive. You didn't even read all my message. Epic can buy any company they want to make a new Fortnite game or something. But making already existing franchises exclusive is sh*tty practice. Don't tell me other companies are doing it too. This doesn't makes this practice good. It's like saying "Other people are robbing a bank too. Robbing a bank isn't a bad thing"
zaraki 10 MAR 2022 a las 7:00 a. m. 
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Since it will be developed by a subsidiary with funds from EPIC, we can't complain about exclusive distribution by EPIC.
Since it is a sequel to this game, I expect PCBS2 to be a great game as well.

However, EPIC's service for users is far inferior to Valve's.
There is no forum for such active discussions and no Workshop where mods are available.
If there is a problem, will the developers get your opinion?

No matter how low the selling price is, I will not buy it in its current state.

Goodbye PC Building Simulator
shadowbeast 10 MAR 2022 a las 8:14 a. m. 
So looking forward to getting this second release.
pandaizumi 10 MAR 2022 a las 9:27 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por zaraki:
Since it will be developed by a subsidiary with funds from EPIC, we can't complain about exclusive distribution by EPIC.
Since it is a sequel to this game, I expect PCBS2 to be a great game as well.

However, EPIC's service for users is far inferior to Valve's.
There is no forum for such active discussions and no Workshop where mods are available.
If there is a problem, will the developers get your opinion?

No matter how low the selling price is, I will not buy it in its current state.

Goodbye PC Building Simulator

I mean the official discord gives you almost immediate access to the devs... There's always a dev there answering questions and getting feedback. Even for the console versions. The devs are also on Reddit.

As for mods I usually tend to prefer Nexus over steam anyway since mods work for more than just steam versions.
Ty3 Dy3 10 MAR 2022 a las 10:30 a. m. 
kek this discussion is amusing, one obviously Epic fan boy. The devs stating that they have been with Epic for over a year now, and someone claiming that the Epic store launcher is "better".

It's too easy to stay to basics, me as a consumer and gamer, look at it very simple. I as a consumer have the right to say Nope, you're no longer getting my money, and this is what I do all the time. ALL THE TIME. I have boycotted Ubisoft, Epic, even Blizzard before it was bought out. Because of the practices these companies use.

The most basic and simple example is this, if you release your product in lets say for example another country, and ONLY that country, a few things happen here, first and foremost, exclusion of true fans and die hards that are not in that country, they will wait and buy it when it becomes available in their country. But there will also be a great number of people that will watch reviews to see the outcome. If the exclusive was for a year let's say, then the rest of the world would wait and review as well while watching content creators go at it. When it's fully released then you have this stigma that people already know your game, but now that you're available to everyone, your hype well ended a year ago upon launch, no one really cares that you're now cross platform with a handful of discord clicks that want to play with each other and rando games.

Honestly if I was the devs with this kind of system I personally would be trying to set up something with CompTia make some legit IT classes. But that's merely my 2 cents, I would have sold out to college and education any day of the week over, Epic. :Excrement_Item:

#StandWithBoycotts
Última edición por Ty3 Dy3; 10 MAR 2022 a las 10:31 a. m.
WolfEisberg 10 MAR 2022 a las 11:06 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por UstaYussuf:
Publicado originalmente por #STANDWITHUKRAINE:

Why not? Valve bought Campo Santo, third party developer, and Campo Santo made Half Life Alxy, which is a sequel to an IP that Valve owns. Can you buy Half Life Alyx anywhere that isn't Steam? Nope.

So yeah, this is no different.

Once again, EGS haters are showing that none of their complaining is about being against third party exclusives only and first party exclusives are acceptable. Once again they are showing that only Valve is allowed to have first party exclusives but everyone else is not allowed to and it is considered anti-consumer. Really, none of this has to do with games being exclusive to a single store, you people are perfectly fine with that as long as it is Steam.

And PC Building Simulator is Epic's own game. Just like PC Building Simulator 2 is Epic's own game for multiple reasons which is they are the publisher, they funded the development of the game, and they own the IP. But none of that matters to you, only Valve is allowed to do that kind of stuff, and nobody else is allowed to.
I'm NOT talking about buying other companies to make games for them. I'm talking about making already existing franchises exclusive. You didn't even read all my message. Epic can buy any company they want to make a new Fortnite game or something. But making already existing franchises exclusive is sh*tty practice. Don't tell me other companies are doing it too. This doesn't makes this practice good. It's like saying "Other people are robbing a bank too. Robbing a bank isn't a bad thing"

Got to love the goal post moving of the r/f--kepic people will always move goal posts. people always talked about first party games are acceptable because the games wouldn't exist otherwise, or because the first party is taking on all the risk, well here is a first party game, and you people move goal posts to still complain about it. Up next, Epic creates a new game using something like Star Wars, and the peanut gallery would move goal posts once again. For as long as any game isn't on Steam be first or third party, people will complain about it and then be hypocrites by talking about stealing the game.
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