PC bay bids?

[Sir Gigachad of Thundercock]

So what's the point of this?

What's the point of being able to build a computer and end up bidding it for 70% less value?

[X-SR71]

use used parts, never use new parts for PCs you'll sell.

[BonPadre]

And if you buy a used PC on PCBay and hope to get much by selling it back, you won't get rich...
(can be done, but needs a lot of hassle for not much in return... monitoring closely [ MARKET ] buy a PC build @-50%, cram as much OC as yoou can, and finally waiting the right time to sell it back... and ofc, since there is no way to keep track in game of paied price.... keep a miles long spreadsheet with all what you bought....)
Tried with 1 PC bought -42%, on which I did write down buy price, added a "decent" but not "max" OC, and I took it out of sale in the last day, because it never reached back it's buying price.... Finally by rage I let it go for less than original PCbay buy price. And ofc placed for sale at the time the [ Market ] was decent enough for a full PC.
So I'm fairly confident profit CAN be made, but by no means "good easy" profits, and far too much effort to worth it IMO.

Now don't get me wrong, it looks like a whining, IT'S NOT, money is way too easy anyway in the long run, so I truely don't care making money or not. It's more a "warning" to OP

If I buy PC's I want to sell back to PCBay, it's only broken PC's.

As to why it has been design to do it only with used parts, it's for 3 reasons I guess...

#1 It's far too easy to assemble a PC from new parts and sell it back for a profit.
#2 If devs chose to allow that, no one would ever play the customers requests.... as it is far more tedious.
#3 Give you a way to do something out of your used parts, and used parts you may buy from PCBay

[Turbo]

Overclocking and running 3DMark will almost always at least double the value of the PC.

[BonPadre]

Originally posted by Turbo:

Overclocking and running 3DMark will almost always at least double the value of the PC.

From the value you see when it enters in your shop... Yeah I agree with you
BUT
Sorry, the money I paied for a "ready to boost" PC from PCBay was not the same value it has stated in your shop.

So yeah while it does double the value from what it shows IN SHOP, said value drops from PCBay buy, to your shop.

So I PAIED a PC 561$ on PCBay
it entered my shop @~369$ (2134 score)
I overclocked it to a said value of 584$ (2414 score)
And it sold for less than the overclocked value.

As sais in my previous post

Originally posted by BonPadre:

cram as much OC as yoou can

I did not went fully out on that... I may have OC it in a "quick" way, not taking much chances on the RAM, up to the +80°C on the CPU, and up to +80°C on a quick GPU OC.

So again, if you use a "lot of time" fiddleing with OC, the price you get back from buying a "ready to boost" PC and hoping to make EASY money out of it, is imo not an option.

[Turbo]

Eh, I dunno. Maybe OCing is so second nature to me at this point it doesn't seem like that much effort to me.

[BonPadre]

Originally posted by Turbo:

Eh, I dunno. Maybe OCing is so second nature to me at this point it doesn't seem like that much effort to me.

Yeah we know your "godly" skills at this game... feeling better ? in need of recognition ?

But ofc, you have to so much demonstrate you are so much better in this game and the "pleb" needs to learn to play the game...

Thing is, you do realize that you are a vocal person, that has a HIGH knowledge of this game (And probably IRL as well) ?

So when a dev developp a game, he also has to hear the more "medium" category of players, and not only the "elitists". And since, the more "general" audience is usually getting bashed around here by a few elitists, it seems to me that sometimes the more generalistic feeback get lost on it's way to devs...

So all I do, I offer a FEEDBACK with the RARE numbers I dare to write down (I'm at the exact opposit spectrum of yours, you that compiles tons of numbers and to me it's by no mean "fun"), just because as said, it's not like getting money is hard in this game.

I don't say overclocking is much effort, I say that THIS WHOLE FOLLOWING STEPS are much effort for little in game reward :

#1 Buying a used "READY TO BOOT pc from PC bay
#2 monitoring it's buying price
#3 Overclock it
#4 Putting it back on PCBay
#5 Remove it 3-4 times because it does not even reach the original buying price
#6 Selling it for a small profit

You oftten say to peeps to go reading the long list pinned here and there, but to me, sometimes it seems you hardly put effort to understand posts and feedbacks by others, when it doesn't fit your vision....

All I did is give a "warning" to OP about thinking of buying used "ready to boot" PC and thinking of making money, since OP was about the "issue" of not getting money from a PC assembled with "new" parts

Anyway I will not get further, because yes indeed... you still do it as usual...
Keep going that way... so good for the game's feedback, until feedback is left to less than 10 peeps (we shouldn't be that far away from that now are we ?)

Have a nice evening God...

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Originally posted by BonPadre:

Originally posted by Turbo:

Eh, I dunno. Maybe OCing is so second nature to me at this point it doesn't seem like that much effort to me.

Yeah we know your "godly" skills at this game... feeling better ? in need of recognition ?

But ofc, you have to so much demonstrate you are so much better in this game and the "pleb" needs to learn to play the game...

Thing is, you do realize that you are a vocal person, that has a HIGH knowledge of this game (And probably IRL as well) ?

I don't usually flaunt it but I've been overclocking computers myself for a little over 25 years IRL, back to changing the clock crystals/clock generator on 286/386 motherboards to overclock the processor and aquarium pumps in buckets with ford heater cores for radiators in the early pentium days. Overclocking in PCBS is also second nature to me and most of my IRL OC skills carry into the game, it's really close to IRL.

To anyone with even a little computer knowledge, PCBS is super easy to work with for overclocking. It's not even hard at all. Just because you don't understand overclocking very well doesn't give you any reason to insult those of us that do.

I don't bother binning for parts in game because It's early access. I may give that a few tries later after the game's done and out of early access and they stop changing parts and how they work and I can be assured the developers won't be deleting my saves in the future.

Overclocking in this game is great: You can make PCbay computers faster and make a profit. You can overclock customer's computers for 3dmark jobs and often complete the job 100% completely free without spending anything. I love that they have overclocking in PCBS.

[BonPadre]

yeah I was sure that IRT had to come here not reading the messages,a nd quoting just the parts he needed...

You two are amazing at that.

I HAVE NEVER STATED that overclocking is hard...

Read again and better
Just as both of you usually tells to peeps posting wrong places or pinned topics....

Anyway, I'll not derail more this thread...
Thanks for NOT reading and understanding the message

Originally posted by BonPadre:

So I PAIED a PC 561$ on PCBay
it entered my shop @~369$ (2134 score)
I overclocked it to a said value of 584$ (2414 score)
And it sold for less than the overclocked value.

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Originally posted by BonPadre:

I did not went fully out on that... I may have OC it in a "quick" way, not taking much chances on the RAM, up to the +80°C on the CPU, and up to +80°C on a quick GPU OC.

So again, if you use a "lot of time" fiddleing with OC, the price you get back from buying a "ready to boost" PC and hoping to make EASY money out of it, is imo not an option.

Originally posted by BonPadre:

yeah I was sure that IRT had to come here not reading the messages,a nd quoting just the parts he needed...

You two are amazing at that.

I HAVE NEVER STATED that overclocking is hard...

Read again and better
Just as both of you usually tells to peeps posting wrong places or pinned topics....

Anyway, I'll not derail more this thread...
Thanks for NOT reading and understanding the message

There's your problem, you're barely even trying with overclocking. The max limit is 95.5c for gpu and 95c for cpu, in PCBS. Push it to the limit and you'll make a lot more money selling stuff. You're not even overclocking things far enough.

[BonPadre]

IRT...
We talk about the PC you buy at PCBay, and not GENERAL overclocking...

My main and only reason to post here was to state that.

When you buy a "READY TO BOOT" PC @PCBay (and not a BROKEN PC), you may have "limitations" to work with, without always relying on swapping parts... so if you have let's say a wattage limit, due to what is in the PC from PCBay, or from it's cooling, or even from it's mix of mobo and cpu that you can't OC, on such PC's you canno't get you usual "perfect" OC values...

So yeah again, I SPECIFICALLY mentioned multiple times in my posts, it was a PC bought from PCBay from which INEXPLICABLY value dropped from 561$ to 369$ between PCBay and my shop...

So all I wanted to point out was that, yes as Turbo said, you double the value it state AT YOUR SHOP....

But when the price dropped from 561$ to 369$... by getting double from 369$ is 738$, and that is if all goes well with bids...
So all that to barely earn 177$ is why I went on that statement it does not even worth the effort...

Now, fine if you both feels it's all good, then please simply dismiss my feedback, I have no issue with it...
Don't be surprised that more peeps will come back with same questionnings lol

Again do not read ANY of what I wrote as a complaint, I'm NOT complaining whatsoever.

I have far enough in game money, I have far enough lose parts to assemble whatever, I have enough repaired broken PC in my cupboard...
I simply dismiss alltogether buying "ready to boot" PC's from PCBay for a few reasons...

So fine if devs want to continue wasting their time with stuff implemented that most will simply ignore, I don't have an issue with that.

I have already adressed PCBay as well in my feedback posts, it' just one more thing I haven't adressed.

I think PCBay system could add much more ot the game, but in it's current state, most may simply ignore it alltogether.

[Sir Gigachad of Thundercock]

Originally posted by BonPadre:

Originally posted by Turbo:

Eh, I dunno. Maybe OCing is so second nature to me at this point it doesn't seem like that much effort to me.

Yeah we know your "godly" skills at this game... feeling better ? in need of recognition ?

But ofc, you have to so much demonstrate you are so much better in this game and the "pleb" needs to learn to play the game...

Thing is, you do realize that you are a vocal person, that has a HIGH knowledge of this game (And probably IRL as well) ?

So when a dev developp a game, he also has to hear the more "medium" category of players, and not only the "elitists". And since, the more "general" audience is usually getting bashed around here by a few elitists, it seems to me that sometimes the more generalistic feeback get lost on it's way to devs...

So all I do, I offer a FEEDBACK with the RARE numbers I dare to write down (I'm at the exact opposit spectrum of yours, you that compiles tons of numbers and to me it's by no mean "fun"), just because as said, it's not like getting money is hard in this game.

I don't say overclocking is much effort, I say that THIS WHOLE FOLLOWING STEPS are much effort for little in game reward :

#1 Buying a used "READY TO BOOT pc from PC bay
#2 monitoring it's buying price
#3 Overclock it
#4 Putting it back on PCBay
#5 Remove it 3-4 times because it does not even reach the original buying price
#6 Selling it for a small profit

You oftten say to peeps to go reading the long list pinned here and there, but to me, sometimes it seems you hardly put effort to understand posts and feedbacks by others, when it doesn't fit your vision....

All I did is give a "warning" to OP about thinking of buying used "ready to boot" PC and thinking of making money, since OP was about the "issue" of not getting money from a PC assembled with "new" parts

Anyway I will not get further, because yes indeed... you still do it as usual...
Keep going that way... so good for the game's feedback, until feedback is left to less than 10 peeps (we shouldn't be that far away from that now are we ?)

Have a nice evening God...

Maybe chill a bit?

[BonPadre]

Nope not when all you get from disagreeing with those few ones only gets you passive - agressive answers...
And your point beeing dismissed by that trick.

I personally feel that PCBay needs some love to be an interesting addition to the game and not your "simple dumpster" alternate to "direct sell"

So nope, I'm not ok to hear
"all you need is to OC to make it work", because it's not what I experienced in my playthrough.
Aka example I even quoted from myself... Please pay attention to NUMBERS... nothing does bother you ?
- Used buy value @PCBay 561$
- Used value when entering your shop from PCBay 369$
I mean, really ???

And just letting it get go, and doing so maybe not getting the game to evolve toward the PCBay part, just because I did not voiced it and let a few decide for me.
Or just to shut up because I'm passively agressively bashed ?
Nope wrong client here.

[Sir Gigachad of Thundercock]

Originally posted by BonPadre:

Nope not when all you get from disagreeing with those few ones only gets you passive - agressive answers...
And your point beeing dismissed by that trick.

I personally feel that PCBay needs some love to be an interesting addition to the game and not your "simple dumpster" alternate to "direct sell"

So nope, I'm not ok to hear
"all you need is to OC to make it work", because it's not what I experienced in my playthrough.
Aka example I even quoted from myself... Please pay attention to NUMBERS... nothing does bother you ?
- Used buy value @PCBay 561$
- Used value when entering your shop from PCBay 369$
I mean, really ???

And just letting it get go, and doing so maybe not getting the game to evolve toward the PCBay part, just because I did not voiced it and let a few decide for me.
Or just to shut up because I'm passively agressively bashed ?
Nope wrong client here.

You don't need to be okay with it, just calm down and be respectful, you're being too agressive over a discussion.

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Originally posted by Awpii:

You don't need to be okay with it, just calm down and be respectful, you're being too agressive over a discussion.

https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198020344371/posthistory/

Take a few moments and read through all of BonPadre's posts in the steam forums. They're commonly rather aggressive and combative in most topics they post in, in multiple different game forums. It's just how they are. There's no reasoning with people like this.

[BonPadre]

Yep I'm rather combative when I try to make a point.
You like or not the style.

Same thing as you, you know you can be a bit on the harsh side as you even admitted it yourself in an other thread on which I answered to you.

Now, please note too, that english IS NOT my primary, so sometimes I don't notice small nuances that makes a post agressive to the eyes of an other.

Now in THAT thread, yeah I'm getting aggravated, because I give examples as to why I think PCbay selling bids are a bit unbalanced, and all I get for answers is sort of
"Get better"

So again, I do understand this game is a "niche" game, that will mostly suit PC tech nerds, but still, the game has to balance the more Average Joe as well...

I understand that there are things you guys probably do better than me, BUT I also voice the more "normal" gamers...

Any idea of how many bought the game and gave up because of it's complexity ?

So yeah, maybe try to be friendlier with the game's setting to accomodate the more average playerbase.