Budgets for benchmark targets

[Fiara]

In quite a few of these I've spent over an hour trying to work out the exact parts for the budget given and get it right on the money. I install everything, run 3DMark, and still can't hit the target.
Could anyone help me?
What's more important CPU or Graphics Cards?
Where can I skimp?
Any sort of help would be GREATLY appreciated. For now I've just been passing on ANY Upgrade/Benchmark target jobs because I just can't seem to hit the target within the budget.

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mb1kvseRHowubxH3Vm21M66kT0pNvY_WgULd4EljC-g/edit#gid=980973572

This will do all of it for you in seconds instead of hours. You're welcome. :)

[Fiara]

Originally posted by Impending Rentacle Tape:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mb1kvseRHowubxH3Vm21M66kT0pNvY_WgULd4EljC-g/edit#gid=980973572

This will do all of it for you in seconds instead of hours. You're welcome. :)

I have no idea how to read this...
It looks like this is for building a new PC which I'm sure will be helpful down the road, but currently I'm just looking at the Upgrading peoples current PCs
Though thank you for the link.

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Originally posted by CG|Fiara:

Originally posted by Impending Rentacle Tape:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mb1kvseRHowubxH3Vm21M66kT0pNvY_WgULd4EljC-g/edit#gid=980973572

This will do all of it for you in seconds instead of hours. You're welcome. :)

I have no idea how to read this...
It looks like this is for building a new PC which I'm sure will be helpful down the road, but currently I'm just looking at the Upgrading peoples current PCs
Though thank you for the link.

The top part where it says "Solve for cheapest pair of cpu and gpu's, given target score" you put in what the customer wants for a target score, and you put in what your current level is in-game (left side, blue spots), and then it shows you several example builds to the right that will meet the required target score at different price points, and a total price at the bottom and exactly what parts to buy. This is useful if your customer's job wants you to build a computer that meets a certain 3dmark score and this will show you two things: How much it will cost to build a computer that will meet their target, so you can see if it will be within budget at all. And if you decide to go through, it will show you exactly what computer parts to buy to meet the target score.

Below that it says "solve for cheapest processor, given graphics card score and target score". In this one, you will be keeping the video card that their computer came with, and only changing the processor and nothing else. So you run their rig through 3dmark once to get the graphics score at the end. Input the graphics score in the blue boxes, your current level in career, the target score they want you to hit, and then it shows you what cpu's at what prices will meet the required 3dmark score.

Below that at the bottom is "solve for cheapest graphics card(s), given processor score and target score". You again run through their computer through 3dmark and then at the end it will tell you what their cpu score is. So you input cpu score and your level and the target score, and it shows you what video cards to buy that will meet the target and how much they will cost.

The only down side is to the bottom two options is you have to accept a job to figure out how to complete it.

[BonPadre]

May I add that while the spreadsheet is not totally up to date, it's still a solid tool.

Now, with the new career revamp, it's also easyer imo to "guesstimate" your way through those jobs.

Usually upgrading 1 element of the PC's owner would do it. (usually beeing a keyword)

Way I usually do it, if I don't want to use the linked spreadsheet.

If client needs a RAM upgrade, buy that RAM and take what's left of the budget, and look at what GPU is available at that price.

Then go look in the [ Part Ranking ] tool in game (program you need to buy) and from the GPU's available within budget, choose the highest ranked one.

If for whatever reason, it seems the GPU installed in client's PC and your possible new choice seems to small in part ranking score, maybe look for the CPU

NEVER pass on the chance to increase your score by a little for free... aka the RAM oc within the BIOS, just by activating the XMP

Usually (if not already a good / great GPU installed) the GPU wil have the greater impact on your score

Then in second you'll have teh CPU score, so here again, if you have a decent / good GPU score a very crappy CPU can really impact negatively your 3DMark score. So if you have a G3950 and a RX 570 Gaming X 8G and you need +250 in your score you can probably achieve it by changing the CPU for a much higer ranked CPU. Now If you have the same GPU and a Ryzen 5 1600, and you need +250, chances are you will head toward the GPU's change

Lastly more RAM sticks helps the score a little, but also the RAM's frequency, as long as you dig into that XMP oc in the BIOS, still those can help from a few points to a decent amount, but I would say hardly over 50 points, and RAM's speeds are also sometimes maxed by the motherboard, so I'll not necessarly go that way to up a score on a primary concern.
Only thing you should ALWAYS DO is turn on that XMP on EVERY 3dMark score you need to improve.

Edited : Typos

[Fiara]

What is the XMP? (I bought this game and played it for quite a while and I really don't know much about the inside of the computers. I can find my way around the internet and most programs for a computer that someone recommends, but don't know anything about the technical aspect of them) Sorry for so many questions.

Originally posted by BonPadre:

May I add that while the spreadsheet is not totally up to date, it's still a solid tool.

Now, with the new career revamp, it's also easyer imo to "guesstimate" your way through those jobs.

Usually upgrading 1 element of the PC's owner would do it. (usually beeing a keyword)

Way I usually do it, if I don't want to use the linked spreadsheet.

If client needs a RAM upgrade, buy that RAM and take what's left of the budget, and look at what GPU is available at that price.

Then go look in the [ Part Ranking ] tool in game (program you need to buy) and from the GPU's available within budget, choose the highest ranked one.

If for whatever reason, it seems the GPU installed in client's PC and your possible new choice seems to small in part ranking score, maybe look for the CPU

NEVER pass on the chance to increase your score by a little for free... aka the RAM oc within the BIOS, just by activating the XMP

Usually (if not already a good / great GPU installed) the GPU wil have the greater impact on your score

Then in second you'll have teh CPU score, so here again, if you have a decent / good GPU score a very crappy CPU can really impact negatively your 3DMark score. So if you have a G3950 and a RX 570 Gaming X 8G and you need +250 in your score you can probably achieve it by changing the CPU for a much higer ranked CPU. Now If you have the same GPU and a Ryzen 5 1600, and you need +250, chances are you will head toward the GPU's change

Lastly more RAM sticks helps the score a little, but also the RAM's frequency, as long as you dig into that XMP oc in the BIOS, still those can help from a few points to a decent amount, but I would say hardly over 50 points, and RAM's speeds are also sometimes maxed by the motherboard, so I'll not necessarly go that way to up a score on a primary concern.
Only thing you should ALWAYS DO is turn on that XMP on EVERY 3dMark score you need to improve.

Edited : Typos

[Fiara]

Also, thank you Impending for the explination. I really appreciate you typing all of that to help explain to me. <3

[BonPadre]

XMP is the feature that allows the Motherboard to detect the "speed" of the RAM installed, and it's available through the BIOS.

So to access the BIOS, when you turn ON a PC in the game, hit [ F2 ] or [ Del ], and then aim at the RAM OC tab, and turn ON the XMP, then apply changes through the setting tab while restarting the PC

Now if you have RAM that have a higher frequency than the 2133MHz lowest, then their true speed will be used by the PC, and it factors a bit into 3DMark score

It's an easy no risk in game method to OC the RAM. Now ofc you can push that higher manually, but you will then need to know how to check if it works or fail etc.... while turning ON XMP is the safest easy route for just a bit more

Hope it helps

[Fiara]

Thank you so much! I'll test this out!

Originally posted by BonPadre:

XMP is the feature that allows the Motherboard to detect the "speed" of the RAM installed, and it's available through the BIOS.

So to access the BIOS, when you turn ON a PC in the game, hit [ F2 ] or [ Del ], and then aim at the RAM OC tab, and turn ON the XMP, then apply changes through the setting tab while restarting the PC

Now if you have RAM that have a higher frequency than the 2133MHz lowest, then their true speed will be used by the PC, and it factors a bit into 3DMark score

It's an easy no risk in game method to OC the RAM. Now ofc you can push that higher manually, but you will then need to know how to check if it works or fail etc.... while turning ON XMP is the safest easy route for just a bit more

Hope it helps

[juggalodan4]

Originally posted by Aquafawks:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mb1kvseRHowubxH3Vm21M66kT0pNvY_WgULd4EljC-g/edit#gid=980973572

This will do all of it for you in seconds instead of hours. You're welcome. :)

Does this not work anymore i cant seem to get it to work?

[BonPadre]

Originally posted by juggalodan4:

Originally posted by Aquafawks:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mb1kvseRHowubxH3Vm21M66kT0pNvY_WgULd4EljC-g/edit#gid=980973572

This will do all of it for you in seconds instead of hours. You're welcome. :)

Does this not work anymore i cant seem to get it to work?

This is OUTDATED calculator. And as written in big bold, you NEED to save it as a copy to make it work. I personally made this copy right in my Google drive, as I seemed to have issues making work that save on my PC (and as I'm no Excel pro... I didn't knew why)
This one is up to date
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1596577871
It's much faster in it's calculations as well, as it's html based. Here again, read the how to use made by creator.

Though it's more helpful to help getting to a benchmark score, much more than it is about budgeting.
Issue with planning budget is that you can use a $20 HDD or a $120 M.2 and it will by no mean affect the score, a $50 non modular PSU and a $70 modular PSU, and it wil not affect the score, a 2666MHz RAM for $50 a pop, or $120 2666MHz RAM a pop, and yet it still doesn't change the score as long as you use them @ 2666MHz, a $50 case or a $180 case and it doesn't change the score, etc...
So basically any benchmark calculator can only give you a rough pricing, but you still have so many ways to accomodate budget on your own terms. It will though be very helpful if you struggle to get to the score, by offering you various possible solution, and an estimate of the remaining budget.

[Gigory Chadbert]

Originally posted by BonPadre:

This one is up to date
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1596577871
It's much faster in it's calculations as well, as it's html based. Here again, read the how to use made by creator.

Though it's more helpful to help getting to a benchmark score, much more than it is about budgeting.
Issue with planning budget is that you can use a $20 HDD or a $120 M.2 and it will by no mean affect the score, a $50 non modular PSU and a $70 modular PSU, and it wil not affect the score, a 2666MHz RAM for $50 a pop, or $120 2666MHz RAM a pop, and yet it still doesn't change the score as long as you use them @ 2666MHz, a $50 case or a $180 case and it doesn't change the score, etc...
So basically any benchmark calculator can only give you a rough pricing, but you still have so many ways to accomodate budget on your own terms. It will though be very helpful if you struggle to get to the score, by offering you various possible solution, and an estimate of the remaining budget.

I disagree about the budgeting - I find it works fine. If you run the build tool and select include motherboard, and include memory, that leaves you with funding the case, storage, cooling, and PSU with the funds listed in the "budget left" column. Budgeting those components shouldn't be hard since you can heavily skimp on them usually. In cases where you're budgeting out something that needs a beefy PSU like dual GFX, you can reroll the builds and adjust the score & score offset fields and check "requires overclock". Requires overclock will only give you back builds with CPUs that can be overclocked. You can make up for stock scores with some overclocks that way.

[BonPadre]

Originally posted by Faptech:

I disagree about the budgeting - I find it works fine. If you run the build tool and select include motherboard, and include memory, that leaves you with funding the case, storage, cooling, and PSU with the funds listed in the "budget left" column. Budgeting those components shouldn't be hard since you can heavily skimp on them usually. In cases where you're budgeting out something that needs a beefy PSU like dual GFX, you can reroll the builds and adjust the score & score offset fields and check "requires overclock". Requires overclock will only give you back builds with CPUs that can be overclocked. You can make up for stock scores with some overclocks that way.

Well, it seems you took what I wrote as an attack to the WONDERFUL Biubiu's tool.
That was not my intend, and maybe I should clarify for you.

First it was a "quick" text by me, for a rather useless necro from juggalodan4
I just wanted to point out an up to date calculator.

Then indeed, you are right, Biubiu has done a wonderful job with budgeting, and I did not realise it, because at the time I was using the full build "creator", it was not implemented as nicely as it is now.
And now that I'm much more confident in my guesstimate of parts for a certain score, I usually use only the 3DMark Score Calculator.