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Hansha Nov 29, 2018 @ 8:01am
Selling Prebuilt PCs?
I got some money saved up from some jobs and decided to build a pc and sell it for a little profit.

I build the PC and get ready to sell it on PC Bay where it tells me to use the white labels on my desk to sell the PC...but there arent any labels on the desk...

Am I missing something or are they just bugged?
Originally posted by spacechad:
Originally posted by Hansha:
awh ♥♥♥♥ cant delete
I didn't see your comments earlier and I realize that you don't want this thread to go on.

To respect OPs wishes I will unsub from the thread, and leave it be.
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Metallos Nov 29, 2018 @ 1:47pm 
And you are still wrong, the PC (assemblied with "brand new" components) is an unit on its own and willl get the original packaging of the system builder before shipping. So the PC is "brand new", too.
Example (one of those I picked randomly): https://www.ebay.de/itm/Gaming-PC-AMD-Ryzen-5-2400G-4-8x-3-9-Ghz-SSD-Windows-10-Computer-Komplett-Gamer/292598737121

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Edit: Nearly all of those (commercially sold) PCs are sold as "brand new", even on ebay.com. So who talks wrong things here?
Last edited by Metallos; Nov 29, 2018 @ 1:51pm
Originally posted by Metallos:
And you are still wrong, the PC (assemblied with "brand new" components) is an unit on its own and willl get the original packaging of the system builder before shipping. So the PC is "brand new", too.
Example (one of those I picked randomly): https://www.ebay.de/itm/Gaming-PC-AMD-Ryzen-5-2400G-4-8x-3-9-Ghz-SSD-Windows-10-Computer-Komplett-Gamer/292598737121

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Edit: Nearly all of those (commercially sold) PCs are sold as "brand new", even on ebay.com. So who talks wrong things here?

Do note that's "ebay.de" the german site, not "ebay.com" the USA site. Besides all of that, it's just with anything on the internet. If you search long enough you'll find some (one) example somewhere in some one post on the site trying to prove your point because you always have to have the last say in everything and you always have to be right because that's you and how you work, Metallos. You're infallible and you can't ever possibly be wrong about anything on any subject.

The bottom line is they sell it at used prices in-game and that's the way it is. So you can cry and complain about it all day but they still sell it at used prices in game. At least as of the today and the time of writing this.
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Metallos Nov 29, 2018 @ 2:34pm 
Originally posted by Impending Rentacle Tape:
Do note that's "ebay.de" the german site, not "ebay.com" the USA site. Besides all of that, it's just with anything on the internet. If you search long enough you'll find some (one) example somewhere in some one post on the site trying to prove your point because you always have to have the last say in everything and you always have to be right because that's you and how you work, Metallos. You're infallible and you can't ever possibly be wrong about anything on any subject.

The bottom line is they sell it at used prices in-game and that's the way it is. So you can cry and complain and ♥♥♥♥♥ about it all day but they still sell it at used prices in game. At least as of the today and the time of writing this.
Read again what I wrote, especialy the edit (which you have quoted). Go to ebay.com, type "gaming pc" and see:
Condition

New (2,310)
New other (see details) (209)
Manufacturer refurbished (22)
Seller refurbished (391)
Used (680)
For parts or not working (8)

And before inputing others you should take away the mirror in front of you.
Originally posted by Metallos:
Read again what I wrote, especialy the edit (which you have quoted). Go to ebay.com, type "gaming pc" and see:
Condition

New (2,310)
New other (see details) (209)
Manufacturer refurbished (22)
Seller refurbished (391)
Used (680)
For parts or not working (8)

And before inputing others you should take away the mirror in front of you.

Yet PCBS still sells prebuilt computers at used prices in-game, currently. Instead of complaining here.. you should go make a formal request in the feature request forums to have them change and sell it for new prices. Here's a link to the feature request forums for you: https://steamcommunity.com/app/621060/discussions/2/
Hansha Nov 29, 2018 @ 3:17pm 
Ah ♥♥♥♥ i started an internet arguement
KG79 Nov 29, 2018 @ 5:05pm 
Originally posted by Impending Rentacle Tape:
You bought the computer parts. You removed the computer parts from their brand new packaging. Once anything is removed from it's original packaging it's technically considered used from that point forwards. You're not selling a retail product that is 100% sealed in a retail package with shrinkwrap. You're not selling a "Brand New" item. How can you possibly not understand this?

It's just like on ebay in real life, there are hundreds or thousands of people on ebay that sell items as "Brand new" but they opened the packaging and either checked the contents "Only opened to check contents" or they actually used it once or twice, admit it was only used a couple times and put back in the box and they still try to claim "Brand new".

If it's not sealed in the original packaging, it's not new. Why is that such a difficult thing for people to understand?

What a nonsense.... I buy computers which always consist of individual parts I selected. And gues what? I get a fully built computer in one case, the empty retail packages plus additional stuff from the parts which were not needed in another, for the case I want to resell any at some point, and get a full warranty "as one" considering the functionality as a new computer. On the bill I have "a custum build" with a total price which is equal to the sum of the parts plus a service fare for putting it together. If ANY part fails, I can send the whole computer back to the dealer if I like. Mostly in such cases I would of course consider a replacement of the particular item, but I could refund it completely.

I don't know where you live, but I don't think your country has such poor consumer rights.
Originally posted by KG79:
What a nonsense.... I buy computers which always consist of individual parts I selected. And gues what? I get a fully built computer in one case, the empty retail packages plus additional stuff from the parts which were not needed in another, for the case I want to resell any at some point, and get a full warranty "as one" considering the functionality as a new computer. On the bill I have "a custum build" with a total price which is equal to the sum of the parts plus a service fare for putting it together. If ANY part fails, I can send the whole computer back to the dealer if I like. Mostly in such cases I would of course consider a replacement of the particular item, but I could refund it completely.

I don't know where you live, but I don't think your country has such poor consumer rights.
This is dribbling off topic entirely here (Mostly my fault) I tried above to steer it back in to on-topic because we're originally discussing how PCBS sells prebuilt PC's @ used prices, in-game, in the PCBS game. Which is what we're supposed to be discussing here (again my fault for going off topic in the first place). But like I posted above.. if you want PCBS to sell prebuilt computers for new prices (in-game) then you may want to go open a request in the feature request forums.
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Tikigod Nov 29, 2018 @ 6:48pm 
When you build PCs in-game (and out of game actually), you're using consumer marketed hardware and are not a OEM that is recognised by the hardware manufacturers nor pretty much any consumer with half a brain.

It doesn't matter if you're using 'brand new components' or not, the fact that you are not a OEM but are a 3rd party reseller making systems from 'off the shelf' components that you have then thrown together does change the perceived value of the components.

The game reflects that accurately, and is working at intended.

Perhaps in the future there could be additional tools added to the game to actually sign contracts with certain hardware manufacturers to be recognised OEMs and as such able to buy hardware from them at lower OEM prices and sell PCs using their hardware exclusively (or as exclusively as possible) for closer to retail value.

But for now, you are not a OEM. You are not buying your components from the manufacturer at reduced OEM prices for resale. You're buying consumer marketed hardware from a independent retailer and selling then selling '2nd hand' builds on the games equivilent of Ebay.
Last edited by Tikigod; Nov 29, 2018 @ 6:50pm
spacechad Aug 2, 2019 @ 5:40pm 
Originally posted by Hansha:
I got some money saved up from some jobs and decided to build a pc and sell it for a little profit.

I build the PC and get ready to sell it on PC Bay where it tells me to use the white labels on my desk to sell the PC...but there arent any labels on the desk...

Am I missing something or are they just bugged?


Originally posted by Aquafawks:
Originally posted by Metallos:
That's not true (except in "IRT's wword of alternative facts"). Since when are pre-built unused PCs used? Then every PC (or other electronic devices) would be used because they go through function tests before shipping.
You bought the computer parts. You removed the computer parts from their brand new packaging. Once anything is removed from it's original packaging it's technically considered used from that point forwards. You're not selling a retail product that is 100% sealed in a retail package with shrinkwrap. You're not selling a "Brand New" item. How can you possibly not understand this?

It's just like on ebay in real life, there are hundreds or thousands of people on ebay that sell items as "Brand new" but they opened the packaging and either checked the contents "Only opened to check contents" or they actually used it once or twice, admit it was only used a couple times and put back in the box and they still try to claim "Brand new".

If it's not sealed in the original packaging, it's not new. Why is that such a difficult thing for people to understand?

When Dell or HP, or even iBuypower, Origin, Cyberpower buy their parts from the manufacturer (Intel, Nvidia, AMD, Corsair, Cooler Master etc. etc.), it's still prebuilt. Used parts would be if they were used previously by another user. Let me give you an example. I upgraded my own personal rig a year or so ago. I swapped out a 1050ti with a 1070ti. If I sold the 1050ti that would be me selling a used part (since I have been gaming on it for the past year or more before my upgrade). Even the game gets this right. When you buy parts from the "shop" app and not PC bay, the game considers those parts as new and unused. When a reoccurring customer comes back later in the campaign mode (such as the author, eSports kid, and the guy who sounds like a Nigerian prince scammer), send the PCs you built for them back to you for more repairs and service, then they count as used parts.

TL;DR
Real life companies such as Dell, HP, and origin have too initially buy parts, ye they sell prebuilts. By your logic, the above companies are selling used PCs. See the full ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ essay above for more in-depth examples.
Originally posted by Bendy Snowball:
Originally posted by Hansha:
I got some money saved up from some jobs and decided to build a pc and sell it for a little profit.

I build the PC and get ready to sell it on PC Bay where it tells me to use the white labels on my desk to sell the PC...but there arent any labels on the desk...

Am I missing something or are they just bugged?
Real life companies such as Dell, HP, and origin have too initially buy parts, ye they sell prebuilts. By your logic, the above companies are selling used PCs. See the full ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ essay above for more in-depth examples.
This is a 10 month old thread and you're kind of off topic too. This thread was about someone asking for OEM Prebuilt computerss in PCBS. Not real life prebuilt computers. Why are you posting this? You're not even contributing to this conversation here :/
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Hansha Aug 2, 2019 @ 6:48pm 
Originally posted by Aquafawks:
Originally posted by Bendy Snowball:
Real life companies such as Dell, HP, and origin have too initially buy parts, ye they sell prebuilts. By your logic, the above companies are selling used PCs. See the full ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ essay above for more in-depth examples.
This is a 10 month old thread and you're kind of off topic too. This thread was about someone asking for OEM Prebuilt computerss in PCBS. Not real life prebuilt computers. Why are you posting this? You're not even contributing to this conversation here :/
Literally just came to say this
T-Bone Biggins Aug 4, 2019 @ 12:02pm 
Gonna chime in with some real life anecdote here. EDIT: This post gets kinda long. You been warned. Summary, yes, it makes sense that computers you build in this game are considered "used".

-The moment you buy a part you get a receipt
-Each part has a warranty for a certain time from time of purchase
-You can create a "new" PC but if it doesn't sell for a year you are burning through that warranty

How this works IRL is a person at home can crack out parts and make a PC, if a part burns up too soon he can get a replacement (though some companies make this difficult). If you try selling a PC it is essentially "used" from the get-go. If you were to try selling computers as your own manufacturer of PC's you would have to create your own warranty. This is why you don't see mom and pop shops flipping computers as a business, it's always larger companies with enough infrastructure to absorb the loss from parts that blow out too quickly.

Let's use Falcon Northwest as an example. They build custom PC's. They have their own support department and they have a 3 year parts and labor warranty on stuff they build as well as a 30-day money back guarantee. Technically they are selling computers made out of parts they opened from the box as a consumer. If they get a shipment of say GPU's and half are bad they are the consumer who must contact let's say EVGA (as an example) and go through the warranty process on each DOA unit they receive as THEY are the customer. The person who purchases a computer from FNW gets a warranty from FNW themselves.

If you purchase computer parts you are a consumer. The moment you tear off the shrink-wrap the part is used. If you want to sell a computer made from parts you bought new you will have to come up with a warranty and all that jazz and be able to absorb the cost of shipping back and forth, the helpline worker/s, cost of OS licenses for each unit made, etc. If FNW makes a computer and the part dies within a few days, they ship the PC back, they rip the part out, they get their receipt for the part from when FNW ordered it and they get that send that in but in the meantime they have to get another identical part out of stock and replace it to ship back to their customer.

To be clear there are smaller custom computer shops out there. The main hurdle to running a smaller shop is how to handle warranties and customer support. Remember there are always "those" customers that will call every time they get duped in a scam from clicking the ads on various websites and expect you to fix it. It can almost be too much of a hassle for a smaller shop considering profit margins and how most people can just buy a
crappy budget HP/Dell/etc. and they will argue why you are charging an extra $500 without caring about you using a better CPU, GPU and more RAM in your computer.

It's a lot to deal with and you have to be sort of a salesman to explain or show the difference quality parts provide over the budget PC's or to help a customer decide if the budget web-browser PC is all they really need. Helping people even if you don't profit instead of gouging them non-stop is always the way to go, it's how I made some consistent money fixing PC's for a few years.

Now I do think it would be cool if you could become a small custom computer shop in PCBS. That would be really cool, and a certain percentage of your builds have to come back for warranty work so you have to have some money sitting around to cover computers that die too early. Maybe make an equation to determine if some builds would wear out too early due to bad design, such as too much heat from not enough cooling or a barely adequate PSU that might get a usage spike just barely above it's maximum rating.
Last edited by T-Bone Biggins; Aug 4, 2019 @ 12:23pm
Originally posted by T-Bone Biggins:
Gonna chime in with some real life anecdote here. EDIT: This post gets kinda long. You been warned. Summary, yes, it makes sense that computers you build in this game are considered "used".
I just thought I would take a moment to remind you that -NOTHING- in real life (or real life OEM or Pre-Built computers) has anything what so ever to even remotely do with PCBS or any in-game content. Also you might want to know that discussing anything IRL in this thread about real life computers is also off topic.
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T-Bone Biggins Aug 4, 2019 @ 3:43pm 
Originally posted by Aquafawks:
Originally posted by T-Bone Biggins:
Gonna chime in with some real life anecdote here. EDIT: This post gets kinda long. You been warned. Summary, yes, it makes sense that computers you build in this game are considered "used".
I just thought I would take a moment to remind you that -NOTHING- in real life (or real life OEM or Pre-Built computers) has anything what so ever to even remotely do with PCBS or any in-game content. Also you might want to know that discussing anything IRL in this thread about real life computers is also off topic.
So what? Subject matter is still relevant in many ways. You pop into every thread trying to wag your finger at everyone to NEVER talk about real life computer building when this game is based on building computers. You seem to get upset when some concepts between this game and real life overlap and need to chill out man.
Originally posted by T-Bone Biggins:
So what? Subject matter is still relevant in many ways. You pop into every thread trying to wag your finger at everyone to NEVER talk about real life computer building when this game is based on building computers. You seem to get upset when some concepts between this game and real life overlap and need to chill out man.
No one is upset and no one is "wagging fingers" or anything... I just thought you might like to know... you can get slapped with bans for being off topic. So I thought I might try and be nice and let you know that it's veering off topic before you actually get in trouble with the steam mods for it. But whatever, it's your steam account. Go ahead if you want. So much for trying to be nice around here.

And IRL computers are very much off topic here.. we're discussing the PCBS game because this is the PCBS forums. There are no pre-builts in the PCBS game, and there never will be.
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