Disc drives, and Cases w/5.5'' drive slots

[Nuclear Bacon]

I would love to see disc drives back in the game to make it more realistic, I also wan't to see more cases with disc drive slots, like the Corsair 200R, 300R, 350R, 250R, 400R, 450R, 260R, 360R, 460R, and the 500R cases, also ASUS Disc Drives would work as well.

[Metallos]

Originally posted by Jacknm2:

So you said it yourself, HDD's or SDD's are the new phsyical media. Content is digital, so thats how media will be sold and dispersed Via digital methods and stored by the end user on their own large physical storage.

No, I haven't said that. And CDs/DVDs/BDs are digital, too.
SSDs (or flash memory in general) loses their informations (charged voltage in the cells) over time (see the problems with the Samsung SSD 840 non-Pros), especially TLC and newer QLC memory with smaller structures. Optical media can be kept for many years in the shelf, flash memory has to be "recharged" from time to time. A modern USB flash drive would have defective files after some years in the shelf.

Originally posted by Impending Rentacle Tape:

What about when your discs get scratched and you can't load the game anymore because it can't read the discs.

I belong to the people who can be careful to things, even 25 year old CDs looks like new.
And if I'm not carefully, then it's MY fault. If 3rd parties (especially online DRM services) are involved, then the risk of losing the product is much higher.
And after a nuclear war (if Trump goes weirder than he already is), which destroys my data at home and the (offline) backup stored at relatives in other city, then I've other problems than getting my games back.

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Originally posted by Metallos:

And after a nuclear war (if Trump goes weirder than he already is), which destroys my data at home and the (offline) backup stored at relatives in other city, then I've other problems than getting my games back.

I'm pretty sure if we had a nuclear war / nuclear winter, afterwards you would have much bigger problems than figuring out how to play your (by then) 30+ year old games on your computer.

I'm sorry but this is just the dumbest argument I've ever read.. oh man, thanks for the laughs this morning.

[Matt]

You could do door cases like the fractal r4. This hides the disc drive.

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Originally posted by cheesystuff:

You could do door cases like the fractal r4. This hides the disc drive.

The R4 is an ancient case and old old old. I don't think anyone actively even has it for sale anymore. Everyone sells the R6 today, some places still have a few R5's left.

[Metallos]

And actually we have those crap like the NZXT S340 whick looks like a 25€ case (quality of the press forming for example) hidden under paint and due to the fake CE-mark (you see the "ChinaExport mark" with much less space between C and E) normally selling in the EU is forbidden.

We can get Chieftec cases for few € more but much higher quality and thicker steel (and no window which would break every EMC test).

[Z3R0B4NG]

I honestly think they need to find a balance between adding new and old stuff at the same time.

They should move forward as new stuff is released to keep up with the latest stuff of course, but i want older stuff as well, i mean they haven't even added any real Motherboards for 7th gen Intel CPUs, only those 3 placeholders, Where is my Asus Maximus IX? Where is my EVGA 1080 FTW? Where is my G.Skill Trident Z RGB Ram? Where is my Corsair 750D case?
Do i even need to ask for my Soundcard or Front Panel Fan Controller that i kept around for years?

The only thing from my current build that is in the game is the CPU (1 1/2 year old 7700K) and i guess the NZXT Kraken X62 is here as well (but missing the infinity mirror effect).

People want to be able to re-build their own PCs in this game as well. Just having the latest and greatest stuff isn't going to accomplish that.

Not to mention i want to play Carreer mode and sometimes go WT FFFF is that thing? when a weird PC arrives and old computers are really good for that.

I want Retro builds with old 3Dfx cards and Creative EAX Soundcards as well, there is so much that can be added to this game beyond current year RGB Tampered Glass builds.

[LeRoiTiti]

Might be interesting from a nostalgic point of view. I ditch DVD-rw, BD-rom when I build my new pc last year. I have no intention to ever get one of those in any future build.

[Nuclear Bacon]

I think in the long run, Disc are a real life saver, because what if your computer crashes, certainly its hard to recover digital stuff on your own, disc games are faster to reload depending on your system, I meant DVD ROM, DVD R, DVD-RW, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE, and what about Crystal Readers?

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Originally posted by Nuclear Bacon:

I think in the long run, Disc are a real life saver, because what if your computer crashes, certainly its hard to recover digital stuff on your own, disc games are faster to reload depending on your system, I meant DVD ROM, DVD R, DVD-RW, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE, and what about Crystal Readers?

Sorry, this isn't 1995 anymore. Games do not ship on disc any more. You can't buy games on physical optical discs even in the stores anymore. They only give you a code to use to download it on their online delivery platform instead. Steam or whatever the other companies use. Optical discs are gone. There's not much to discuss any more about this, we've said it all in this thread by now.

[Metallos]

This is 2020: Damn, I've paid so much money for my games and thanks to closed down DRM/cloud platforms (or access to accounts, Trump disconnects your country from internet or whatever) I've absolute NOTHING.

And if you want the game for future, you must go into "grey zone" and have to download twice: Your bought game on Steam (or whatever) which you use and the "patched backups" from OCH-linksites / torrentsites you put on the NAS as reserve.

[Jacknm2]

Originally posted by Metallos:

This is 2020: Damn, I've paid so much money for my games and thanks to closed down DRM/cloud platforms (or access to accounts, Trump disconnects your country from internet or whatever) I've absolute NOTHING.

And if you want the game for future, you must go into "grey zone" and have to download twice: Your bought game on Steam (or whatever) which you use and the "patched backups" from OCH-linksites / torrentsites you put on the NAS as reserve.

I back up all my media, games or otherwise, onto HDD / SSD's regardless, i've got 3x 2TB on this machine and a NAS server with 4x 2TB HDD's on it.

I've got USB's as physical media as well to back up whatever i need along with external hard drives.

Going into the "grey zone" to use software I've paid for if i should every require it doesnt bother me in the slightest and there is always GOG if you do not like steam and other digitial providers. HDD/SSD mass sotrage is the new physical media whether you accept it or not you can go the way of VHS if you like fact is mass storage is the new sucessor to Discs as DRM can still lock you out of disc content and Disc's cannot contain all the required data for modern gaming (Does not mean every game ever before you say).

I'm going to end this necro here on my part at least, you can wallow in your physical media grave for all I care, I'm moving on to the future with my eyes open :)

Originally posted by Impending Rentacle Tape:

Originally posted by Metallos:

And after a nuclear war (if Trump goes weirder than he already is), which destroys my data at home and the (offline) backup stored at relatives in other city, then I've other problems than getting my games back.

I'm pretty sure if we had a nuclear war / nuclear winter, afterwards you would have much bigger problems than figuring out how to play your (by then) 30+ year old games on your computer.

I'm sorry but this is just the dumbest argument I've ever read.. oh man, thanks for the laughs this morning.

AMEN!

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Originally posted by Metallos:

This is 2020: Damn, I've paid so much money for my games and thanks to closed down DRM/cloud platforms (or access to accounts, Trump disconnects your country from internet or whatever) I've absolute NOTHING.

And if you want the game for future, you must go into "grey zone" and have to download twice: Your bought game on Steam (or whatever) which you use and the "patched backups" from OCH-linksites / torrentsites you put on the NAS as reserve.

Here, I think you lost your tin foil hat, it fell off on the floor, you can have it back. Steam's been here and is a staple of computer gaming since nearly 2004'ish, I forget exactly when. Steam's not going away, it's the biggest platform in the world for gaming with literally billions of users globally.

Physical install media went the way of the dodo years ago. Most new computer cases don't even have 5.25" bays anymore.

[KG79]

Besides of the senseless discussion about optical media and the non-acceptance that there are and will be people even in some years who want to have the possibility of read/write from optical media due to several reasons 5.25" bays still make sense. I would not consider to buy a case for desktop use without it even if I would not need an optical drive. The reason is simple: Although I have enough USB ports I want to be free to be able to add something to my front which I'm currently not thinking of. This could be additional USB slots in the front or audio input/output or whatever. Some others like to have manual fan controls and some others need card readers. And maybe someone wants a changable HDD bay. Just because you don't need it, it does not mean that noone needs it. And before you tell us again that this is a gaming rig simulator I'd like to remind you how the game is called: PC building simulator. I think you know what the P stands for. And I remind you also of some jobs in the career mode where you are asked NOT to build a gaming rig but something for video or Photoshop.

[Ramble6]

When looking through cases on NewEgg they have 1,667 cases (excluding the server and media case sections). When you narrow down the selection by the number of available with 5.25" drive bays, it says there are less than 300 that don't have them.

Is it safe to say that about 20-30% of cases available on the market don't have the drive bays and it's still common to have them? Even if you don't use them, I still think the game could have jobs where people ask for fixes to their DVD/Blu Ray drives or adding in media expansion modules (USB's, SSD cards slots, etc). Otherwise we'll have some (not all) cases with something that just sits there or is taken out because there's no functionality to go with it.

Obviously the player won't need these bays for productivity in the game but it certainly adds one more bit of variety to the job pool from customers.

As for personal use, the computer I built this year has an optical drive in it. Not because I plan on many installs from physical media but more for watching DVD's on one monitor while doing artwork on the other. Might upgrade it to a Blu Ray drive and one of the bays beneath it could be at some point populated with a media card reader module. There's still some use in the bays for now depending on a person's choice and style.

[Silamon]

Originally posted by Impending Rentacle Tape:

Originally posted by cheesystuff:

You could do door cases like the fractal r4. This hides the disc drive.

The R4 is an ancient case and old old old. I don't think anyone actively even has it for sale anymore. Everyone sells the R6 today, some places still have a few R5's left.

The R6 has the same hidden 5.25" drive bay.
Honestly a lot of your posts make you sound like a 14 year old trying to sound cool....