Upgrading gpu/cpu?

[Childish Child]

There is a task that I accepted and it only mentioned "upgrade gpu". So I did what it said from 1050 2G to 1050Ti. Did I do something wrong? Or this is a glitch?

[an eggsalad sandwich]

You probably side or downgraded without realizing it. There's an app on the store that gives you the hardware rankings for CPU/GPU

[Childish Child]

Originally posted by an eggsalad sandwich:

You probably side or downgraded without realizing it. There's an app on the store that gives you the hardware rankings for CPU/GPU

It doesn't make sense... Technically Gtx 1050 is weaker than Gtx 1050Ti. I did not change anything else other than that.

[an eggsalad sandwich]

I just looked up the two cards in PartRanking in game man, and you're wrong. The best 1050 2G is rated at 1368 and the 1050Ti is either the same at 1368 or as low as 1318.

Please stop crying bug and check the app, it's the only way the game is checking the quality comparison.

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http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1050-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1050-Ti/3650vs3649

Try using a real comparison website. You didn't "Upgrade" them, no one in the real world would go from a 1050 to a 1050 Ti and call that an upgrade, that'd be a total waste of money. Go with a GTX 970, it's tons faster, and actually an upgrade. It's not a glitch you just technically did not upgrade them at all. It needs to be significantly faster. Like +30% or more.

[Unbelievable]

Originally posted by Impending Rentacle Tape:

It's not a glitch you just technically did not upgrade them at all. It needs to be significantly faster. Like +30% or more.

Im pretty sure it was not important how much better the upgrade is. Or was it changed recent;y?

[an eggsalad sandwich]

No, this guy is just tryin to bring some IRL skills to bear. It's cool and all, but the game is only checking to see if you have a device with a rating higher rating as shown in the comparison app. An external website, while real and good and fun and useful IRL, can be changed and isn't guaranteed to reflect the values used in the game.

[ShiaNox]

Noticed that multiple times... for "upgrade" you need to go to a different type. For the GTX 1050 you need to go to GTX 960 or R9 280 (at least)... also check the FULL name... "GTX 1050 Windforce OC 2G" is only at 1019 points while the "GTX 1050 GAMING X 2G" scores 1409. "GTX 1050 Ti GAMING" is at 1318 and "GTX 1050 Ti Windforce OC 4G" is at 1368... the best way to find an upgrade is probably looking at the store for the original one and pick the cheapest with a higher price and different number (if you just want to maximize the profit).... (Still there are situations where you are able to "upgrade" with a gpu which is less expensive than the original one... just make a chart with all cards and test from cheap to expensive every card until it counts)

[an eggsalad sandwich]

Yeah, it's pretty hard to tell just by looking at the name.

To your point though, if he'd gone from one of the 1318-rated 1050Ti's he could upgrade to the 1368-rated 1050 2G and passed without "going to a different type". Wasn't the way the game presented the problem, but yeah usually the easiest/fastest way to upgrade is that method you mention: "Find the old one in the shop, get the next most expensive one...maybe one after that so you don't accidentally side-grade."

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Originally posted by Unbelievable:

Originally posted by Impending Rentacle Tape:

It's not a glitch you just technically did not upgrade them at all. It needs to be significantly faster. Like +30% or more.

Im pretty sure it was not important how much better the upgrade is. Or was it changed recent;y?

It's actually part of the game. The GPU needs to be at least +30% faster or better or the game does not classify it as an "upgrade" and let you complete these jobs. It's not documented anywhere but if you just "Sidegrade" like GTX 1050 -> 1050 Ti, it's not "Enough of an upgrade" to actually be considered an upgrade. The game won't let you go through with that. And the reason I mentioned the external website is because it's generally close enough to what the game wants that it's quite useful. I use it all the time when doing these missions to find a gpu that's +30% more than what the customer currently has (on http://gpu.userbenchmark.com) and it always guarantees passing and getting the job complete. Also http://gpu.userbenchmark.com runs a median average on tens of thousands (and sometimes hundreds of thousands, GTX-1050 Ti has 118,752 samples currently) of results from different people, it doesn't "Change" on mainstream cards, the average stays the same indefinitely once they get 5000 or more samples.

It's not that you have to go to "A different type" it technically must be faster than the current card the customer has by 30%. Like say a GTX 970 is +67% faster than a 1050 Ti, so that would pass. Yet a GTX 960 is only +4% faster, and a R9 280 is only +19% faster, none of those would be classified as "An upgrade" by the game, they're not fast enough. You can't pick just "The next card up in the ranking program", that doesn't work. It needs to be at least 2 or 3 ranks up or more.

[an eggsalad sandwich]

Where are you getting this 30% thing aside from real comparisons of the CPU clocks and the in-game ranks? Both the 1050 and the 1050 TI have the same rating in the PartRanking at best, so it's definitely well-documented in-game that it's not an upgrade. It's not just the position on the list, you have to improve the number on the right (lots of them are idential). I get that you want this to be more real than it is, but it's all explained in the game and you don't need external resources unless you want to learn about where this game's abstractions come from or you just don't like the PriceRanking interface...and I get that.

The only jobs that require you to upgrade to a specific quality (beyond improving the ranking of the installed part) are ones that have benchmarking spec requirements, and even those are a simple formula based on the PriceRanking numbers and don't go deep into realistic clock-speed and memory-read comparisons.

I don't mean to be following you around this discussion board, but you're spreading this game knowledge like it came from somewhere that's not anecdotal.

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Originally posted by an eggsalad sandwich:

Where are you getting this 30% thing aside from real comparisons of the CPU clocks and the in-game ranks? Both the 1050 and the 1050 TI have the same rating in the PartRanking at best, so it's definitely well-documented in-game that it's not an upgrade. It's not just the position on the list, you have to improve the number on the right (lots of them are idential). I get that you want this to be more real than it is, but it's all explained in the game and you don't need external resources unless you want to learn about where this game's abstractions come from or you just don't like the PriceRanking interface...and I get that.

The only jobs that require you to upgrade to a specific quality (beyond improving the ranking of the installed part) are ones that have benchmarking spec requirements, and even those are a simple formula based on the PriceRanking numbers and don't go deep into realistic clock-speed and memory-read comparisons.

I don't mean to be following you around this discussion board, but you're spreading this game knowledge like it came from somewhere that's not anecdotal.

By doing simple math? I've had these jobs, and I've tried swapping in and out GPU's and I've tried using the ranking system to figure out what they want and by the time I find out how high up in the ranking from their current card we have to go to, in order to get the mission to pass and then comparing the in-game ranking number for the "card that lets the mission complete" vs the in-game ranking number for the "card the customer currently has" it's always a 30% difference.

[an eggsalad sandwich]

Gotcha. Makes sense. I appreciate that you worked in the IT world, me too, and that bringing that kinda knowledge to bear is as instinctual as it is fun, and probably easier than using the tools the game offers currently.

My last question for you before I drop all this and we can go play vidja games for fun again: Do you find that you need to go beyond the next-highest rank in the PriceRanking tool when your mandate is simply "upgrade gfx card"? I think I realize after all this banter that you go with your +30% external site lookup to avoid using the PrinceRanking, I just want to make sure my assumptions about the app and allowing next-best-ranked are true (I'm prettttttttty sure they are).

For what it's worth, I try to do these steps with the PriceRanking tool if I'm not gonna just take the easy route and buy the next card that's 10%ish more expensive, and I don't find them all that cumbersome:
1. Find current card in ColumnA (hardest part, search would rule)
2. Find current card's rank in ColumnB
3. Find next highest rank in ColumnB
5. Optionally price shop the next couple cards that fit the mobo for a cheaper option.
4. Buy card.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're doing something like this?
1. Find current card on external site
2. Find current card's primary comparison spec
3. Find a card that's ~30% better
4. Find out if I can buy that card in game (non-trivial, but not too hard)
5. Repeat from 3 until card that fits the mobo is selected and cost checking is done
6. Buy card

And you can't do that for CPU's on the site you linked, right? You have another site you use or do you not find that comparison necessary in the game yet?

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Usually I've found the game wants you to go roughly +3 ranks up from where the customer's card currently is in the ranking system. And yes that site has CPU's too, I've found that generally about +25% or +30% (on that site) works for in-game roughly, cpu's and gpu's. CPU is on the left on that site.

I guess not everyone has multiple screens or multiple computers.. but for me, I have a second computer with 2 screens to my left, to look up / use the web while gaming on my other computer in front of me with 2 screens. So it's really easy for me to lean to the left and type into the website for a few seconds while gaming. And tons faster and easier than using the in-game rank tool.

[an eggsalad sandwich]

Originally posted by Impending Rentacle Tape:

Usually I've found the game wants you to go roughly +3 ranks up from where the customer's card currently is in the ranking system.

By this do you mean up three positions on the left? Because I agree that one jump up on the left doesn't work because they're often multiples with the same rank value, I was thinking one numeric value higher on the right was enough, though.

[Childish Child]

Originally posted by Impending Rentacle Tape:

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1050-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1050-Ti/3650vs3649

Try using a real comparison website. You didn't "Upgrade" them, no one in the real world would go from a 1050 to a 1050 Ti and call that an upgrade, that'd be a total waste of money. Go with a GTX 970, it's tons faster, and actually an upgrade. It's not a glitch you just technically did not upgrade them at all. It needs to be significantly faster. Like +30% or more.

I'm just trying to save money. Even when there is 10 dollar in difference I still want to save that much. The objective says upgrade which mean raise it's standard but didn't mention how much. Regardless, I still didn't go out of the subject "upgrade" and if that is true then thx.