CPU throttling

[Cyber Ps]

WTf is wrong with this game !
i have cpu to overclock but i get cpu throttling and the budget for the customer is 150$ and i can't change the cpu fan for him how i can avoid the cpu throttling then ! !? weird !

[Metallos]

Have you tried to install case fans with more airflow (m³ or that ancient "CFM" crap which is based on body parts)?

[Cyber Ps]

Originally posted by Metallos:

Have you tried to install case fans with more airflow (m³ or that ancient "CFM" crap which is based on body parts)?

no i will try it i hope it will work :) thx for your answer !

[hun_bullseye]

I tried, spent my budget on case fans (i even tricked the system using the original low CFM fan at bottom front since i had to reinstall it, and then 2 better ones at the back and front. 3DMark went well. 1 star. yay. I guess i won't be taking any OC jobs.

[Metallos]

For OC jobs you also should use OCCT in infinite mode until temps and power draw (ignore that power draw is wrong simulated, in the game it's something like a timer to have to make longer runs) doesn't rise and keep running for few seconds.

And don't forget to make a manual save before accepting jobs or returning PCs so you can go back and don't accept that job which made problems.

[david]

But to be open and accurate about the game, I've had several times when the CPU didn't throttle in OCCT and didn't obviously throttle while running 3DMark, but the final score indicated that it did indeed throttle down. :)

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Originally posted by david:

But to be open and accurate about the game, I've had several times when the CPU didn't throttle in OCCT and didn't obviously throttle while running 3DMark, but the final score indicated that it did indeed throttle down. :)

Sometimes (Rarely) there is still a bug in the game where if you have a computer on a station running, and you're rebooting it a lot, overclocking it a lot and just repeat and repeat and repeat this, that at the end and after a while it may appear to be not throttling and everything fine but you may find out if you completely "Exit" the computer tower and turn it off "complete cold shut down, not just reboot" so you're walking around in the "shop" a bit then go back to it and boot it again, suddenly it throttles. Sometimes computers stop calculating thermals/throttling correctly after some time of sitting there tweaking it. I try to "cold boot" computers once before turning them in myself.

[david]

Originally posted by Aquafawks:

Sometimes (Rarely) there is still a bug in the game where if you have a computer on a station running, and you're rebooting it a lot, overclocking it a lot and just repeat and repeat and repeat this, that at the end and after a while it may appear to be not throttling and everything fine but you may find out if you completely "Exit" the computer tower and turn it off "complete cold shut down, not just reboot" so you're walking around in the "shop" a bit then go back to it and boot it again, suddenly it throttles. Sometimes computers stop calculating thermals/throttling correctly after some time of sitting there tweaking it. I try to "cold boot" computers once before turning them in myself.

I'm not saying that doesn't happen but it's not what I'm talking about and I haven't experienced it. What I mean is that OCCT runs for several minutes and CPU is not throttling. Then I run system info and 3dmark immediately after, no reboot. The 1st portion (CPU portion) runs correctly with no throttling down at for example 52.3 FPS. The 2 GPU portions also run correctly. But then the final score for CPU is around 100, which indicates it has throttled down.

With air cooling it's easy to see when the CPU is close to throttling down due to temps. It's a bit harder to know how close it is with adequate liquid cooling where the actual temp doesn't go above 75 degrees C or so. :)

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Originally posted by david:

With air cooling it's easy to see when the CPU is close to throttling down due to temps. It's a bit harder to know how close it is with adequate liquid cooling where the actual temp doesn't go above 75 degrees C or so. :)

Then it's not throttling but something else wrong. In PCBS CPU's do not throttle unless they hit 95c. That's literally the only thing in PCBS that can possibly cause CPU throttling. By the way if you open system info app and leave it open before you run 3dmark, you can see an overlay over the 3dmark screen when it's running. You can watch power and thermals while 3dmark is running. Perhaps you're some how hitting 95c during 3dmark.

[david]

I just said I ran system info along with 3dmark - always do. No way to prove you're wrong but you are. The CPU is NOT throttling, but the score indicates that it has. I'm on my 3rd time through the game and it has happened several times. I lower OC via bus and core slightly and it works correctly. Nothing else can cause this - if RAM or something else was wrong it would BSOD. I've also seen times where I adjust GPU little by little, and the OCCT doesn't work at all - I can run sliders to the max and it doesn't adjust temps. Have to reboot to get it working again. :)

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Originally posted by david:

I just said I ran system info along with 3dmark - always do. No way to prove you're wrong but you are. The CPU is NOT throttling, but the score indicates that it has. I'm on my 3rd time through the game and it has happened several times. I lower OC via bus and core slightly and it works correctly. Nothing else can cause this - if RAM or something else was wrong it would BSOD. I've also seen times where I adjust GPU little by little, and the OCCT doesn't work at all - I can run sliders to the max and it doesn't adjust temps. Have to reboot to get it working again. :)

You're the first one to report any issue like this since the game first came to steam over a year ago. I'm not trying to say you're wrong, it's just extremely unlikely of a scenario, almost impossible given how this game is coded currently. Right now with PCBS, if the CPU score is reduced that low after a 3dmark run then it's throttling. Some how, some way, it is. And if it's throttling, it's hitting 95c. Temperature is the only possible thing that can cause cpu throttling at the moment in PCBS. So your chip most likely probably is throttling some how and you just haven't found out how or what's causing it. I have never yet heard of anyone reporting a CPU not throttling in OCCT yet still throttles in 3dmark though. Something's wonky there. Can you post a copy of your save online with like dropbox or something and I'll take a look at it? Maybe I can help you pinpoint what's causing this.

[david]

LOL! So you're basically saying I don't know how to read OCCT and 3dmark as they test?

I owned and operated a custom computer shop with my wife for 15 years. I personally built every one of the 1000s of systems - every single one was customized to customer requirements and budgets. Gamers were a big part of our customer base with high end components, lights, and cooling options. I know what I'm doing and what I'm seeing on this game.

It has several bugs and this is just one of them. The fact that no one else has reported it doesn't mean they haven't experienced it and wrote it off as just another occasional bug. Or maybe they just didn't want to read your replies indicating that we're all idiots. You may have the last word. :)

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Originally posted by david:

LOL! So you're basically saying I don't know how to read OCCT and 3dmark as they test?

I never said that nor did I infer that what so ever. I said what you're experiencing in the game shouldn't be possible, with the current build of the game. I was trying to be helpful. I thought maybe if we could look at your save together and collectively figure out exactly what's going on there then we could submit a bug report and get it fixed. But apparently you know everything about computers, and apparently you know every single possible thing about the PCBS game. So this bug will never be figured out and never be fixed, thanks to you.

And for your information I've built just as many computers as you have IRL and I've been custom building computers for others so far for 25 years. I have a bachelors in computer science and I was a manager of an internet data center for 5 years at one point. Unlike you I don't usually go around boasting about that on the internet though. I've also been playing the PCBS game back when it was a free demo on their private website before it even existed on steam, through early access and in to today's version of the game.