New benchmark formula

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[Beltane]

Huh, that would explain why a customer totally wanted a 980TI in a rig with an oldschool Pentuim CPU.

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that formula gets you a pretty balanced score. prolly oughtta build gpu heavy for 3d mark, idk, im no computer wiz. tomorrow will be my rl build. if you wanna tweak your gpu/cpu balance just adjust the two constants or whatever.

[DontAskM8]

Originally posted by Sp00ns92:

I dont know if anyone posted it but the new benchmark build formula should be 1/(gpu/.6666666667)+(cpu/.3333333333)

hmm couldnt find where it says the benchmark formula is changed. Am i missing something?

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maybe im dumb. when i used it i got wacky numbers

[Harag]

New to this game so still learning about benchmarks etc - what is GPU / CPU values - are these the values taken from the "Part Ranking" application? when using the formula.

[Telesto]

I'm no mathematician but I don't understand the reason for formulae that have 1/something/something else - Just multiply the ratio and add them up!
I just use (0.85 x GPU score + 0.15 x CPU score) and it's usually pretty accurate.

[Harag]

Originally posted by Telesto:

I'm no mathematician but I don't understand the reason for formulae that have 1/something/something else - Just multiply the ratio and add them up!
I just use (0.85 x GPU score + 0.15 x CPU score) and it's usually pretty accurate.

so the score values ARE the ones listed in the part ranking app then. I didn't make the connection to the benchmark - doh!.

[BonPadre]

Originally posted by Harag:

so the score values ARE the ones listed in the part ranking app then. I didn't make the connection to the benchmark - doh!.

Not really nope
For instance with that GPU (let's start with GPU as it's NOT impacted by an other part)
That MSI Radeon R9 390X GAMING 8G LE is scoring 3885 (just like BiuBiu's calculator predicts)
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1735975363
And the Part Ranking gives a score of 2682
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1735975336

Now for the CPU, the app CANNOT give you anything, as far as Benchmark scores goes, because the RAM speed factors into the CPU score, and the dual (maybe quad too) channel does also raise the score of the CPU benchmark

That's why on all external graphics ranking on guides, you also usually have an indication of RAM speed used

[Harag]

Originally posted by BonPadre:

Originally posted by Harag:

so the score values ARE the ones listed in the part ranking app then. I didn't make the connection to the benchmark - doh!.

Not really nope

Thanks for that and the screen shots- I've not got around to testing it myself yet. Now I'm confused as to what to use in the formulae. If I get a job that says "build a PC with a mark of 6000" how do I work out what to buy - I'm at level 10 in game - WITHOUT using 3rd party external tools but only in game tools, I know I can use external sources, but would prefer to use in game data).

For me there are so many gpu/cpus I'm not sure what I would buy for the customer, especially if I don't have a lot of game money to buy several cards to test (since I can't return unused cards for my money back).

At the moment when I get a job that says upgrade to BM XXX I usually spend all the budget on getting the best GPU, I've even done jobs where the BM turned out to be 3k over what the user wants. Yes he has a budget of 500, but that doesn't mean I should spend 495 getting the best card for them if they don't want the power - they would be happier spending 300.

I'm guessing it's just trial and error in playing the game and learning it and remembering.... Oh I'm doomed there! Memory like a thing with holes in it...

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Originally posted by Harag:

I'm guessing it's just trial and error in playing the game and learning it and remembering.... Oh I'm doomed there! Memory like a thing with holes in it...

This is actually part of the challenge of the game... it has to have some challenge to it or it would just be a boring "insert part A into slot B" game all day. There has to be something where a lot of thinking is involved.

[Harag]

Originally posted by Aquafawks:

Originally posted by Harag:

I'm guessing it's just trial and error in playing the game and learning it and remembering.... Oh I'm doomed there! Memory like a thing with holes in it...

This is actually part of the challenge of the game... it has to have some challenge to it or it would just be a boring "insert part A into slot B" game all day. There has to be something where a lot of thinking is involved.

:) Excellent thanks for that, much clearer to know that the numbers are not related that way - I'll start making notes as I go along then, I've got about 10 various "used" cards in my inv now so I'll start testing and playing around with them on customers PCs. I've finally bought my 2nd bench so will use that.

Thanks again guys for your help on this (and other threads recently). :)

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I still don't understand this thread.. has anyone actually come up saying the original 3dmark calculation formula has actually changed? There's nothing in the news notes about it. I can go find the other thread that explains how to calculate a 3dmark score with a simple calculator app on your smart phone in seconds. I haven't tried it lately but I'm pretty sure it's still accurate.

[BonPadre]

Originally posted by Aquafawks:

I haven't tried it lately but I'm pretty sure it's still accurate.

It's still accurate, because I still get consistent checks between my scores and BiuBiu's calculator.
I have no idea where OP got that "new" formula.

Originally posted by Harag:

If I get a job that says "build a PC with a mark of 6000" how do I work out what to buy - I'm at level 10 in game - WITHOUT using 3rd party external tools but only in game tools, I know I can use external sources, but would prefer to use in game data).

Pretty sure Aquafawks answered you, but too lazy to not speed read, so I'l simply give you MY personal experience.

You don't actually have an in game tool that will let you calculate that.
Now personally I used for a long time calculators to get a first general idea between budget and scores.

But it actually took me a looooong time to "guesstimate" what would score what. (becasue I don't take any notes...)

Now to your example of reaching a 6000 score, I would go with something around that sort of build (and I'll go check right after my text in BiuBiu's calculator, because that's now how I use it... I build in my brain, and then go check, but I don't ask for the build anymore)

So I would take :
AMD Ryzen 5 Six Core 1600X
2x 3000MHz RAM
MSI GeForce GTX 1070 GAMING X 8G

And I would bet on a build of around $1600

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Now in BiuBiu's calculator, here are the results
Total Score: 5737
CPU Score: 6112
GPU Score: 5676
Est. Wattage: 295

So close enough I could OC it and reach the score (now because I can indeed OC the GPU's)
And I end up with a build of $1445

Now I struggle way more to know the "inbetween" dual GPU scores... All I knew was that a dual 980TI golden ed. would be overkill for such a score... Now without going the 1080 way, have no idea of the dual GPU that would have been closer to the desired score, nor if it would really be any cheaper that the 1070 way

That's my current process. If I'm fine with my guesstimate (now around 75% of the time) on my build on BiuBiu's calculator I go for it. But sometimes I'm like "Ok I really messed up that" But at least doesn't cost me in game money, specially in early levels, with parts you may not always be able to squeeze back somewhere else.

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Originally posted by BonPadre:

It's still accurate, because I still get consistent checks between my scores and BiuBiu's calculator.
I have no idea where OP got that "new" formula.

Thank you for confirming that. Then I'll go ahead and link to the older thread.

So here is the -ACTUAL- formula that the game actually uses:
Time Spy Score = 1 / (0.85/Sgraphics + 0.15/Scpu)
I'll explain that real fast. And then I'll link to this older thread, which is still useful.

So in the above formula, (at least the way I used to use it) is first I would take a customer's computer and set the ram speed to XMP, and possibly tune any cpu/ram overclocks I'm able to squeeze out of their computer safely to get a cpu score. So then once I do that, run 3dmark and get the resulting first test done that generates the overall cpu score. Let's say for example I end up with a cpu score of 2500.

Then if I had a list of known 3dmark scores for gpu's then I could calculate the total score. So say for example I had a "EVGA GTX 1080 TI GAMING" card in-game which has a fixed single-card gpu 3dmark score of 8266 (before overclocking).

So then the resulting formula would look like this: 1 / (0.85/8266 + 0.15/2500) Which I would then enter in to google.com via the google chrome app on my smart phone and click go and it tells me the resulting 3dmark score would be exactly 6141 for this configuration.

Now.. I have a link to an older thread here that I got the formula from, and it does have a list of cpu's and gpu's but it does not account for overclocking, because they didn't have OC in the game back when the list was made. And it doesn't factor in SLI / Dual video cards either. Because again those didn't exist back when the list was made. But it does have the "stock speed" of a lot of the video cards in the game so it's still useful early game when you don't have overclocking in-game anyway. And I would need to test but I -THINK- in-game exactly doubles your 3dmark gpu score if you add a second card, so you could just * 2 the gpu score for dual gpu. I'll test that later today.

Anyway older thread is here: https://steamcommunity.com/app/621060/discussions/0/1696043806564899052/

[Harag]

@Bon & @Aqua - Thanks guys - sorry I was a little confused thinking the values from the part ranking app were the values to put in the formula, clearly it's not I've found BiuBiu gpu/cpu large chart sheet and compared the numbers on it to the 2 posts above, Now I understand where the values are from :)
Thanks for the link Aqua, I'll go check this now.