Am noob, plz help, even over clocking core speed by +1 causes crashing in OCCT test.

[Blunder Bro]

I am using this game not only to have fun to to learn and hopefully build my own gaming desktop in real life. I have little idea what I am doing and am doing my best. I know some of the basics but that is it.

I cannot overclock anything to any degree and honestly any general design advice, if I can get better components or anything would be nice. I looked things up a bit and tried to get the best motherboard that suited my overclocking and 4000+mhz ram needs. Be kind, I am new to this.

Steam won't let me link my screenshot of my specs, so here is a link to my profile pics. It is at the top.

https://steamcommunity.com/id/5050505050597947/screenshots/

[BonPadre]

Your screeshot with that [ system ] app tells us nothing really helpful about overclocking.

The tool that tells a lot about overclocking is OCCT, running it on infinite mode.
It will tell you about the temperatures under stress, not the temperatures at idle as you have in your screen.

It will tell you how much wattage you hit max when under stress, it will tell you if the CPU throttle, etc.

Now I realize it's probably a lot of terms you are not familiar with and you'll need to learn step by step.

Here are 2 guides that will go together as far as how overclocking works

The first one is truely about oveclocking
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1513505217

The second one is here to help you understand what went wrong while you get a BSOD
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1402962803

Read a bit of that, experiment a bit in freebuild, and come back with more precise questions.

[Damn]

make sure to increase the voltage

[Blunder Bro]

Originally posted by BonPadre:

Your screeshot with that [ system ] app tells us nothing really helpful about overclocking.

The tool that tells a lot about overclocking is OCCT, running it on infinite mode.
It will tell you about the temperatures under stress, not the temperatures at idle as you have in your screen.

It will tell you how much wattage you hit max when under stress, it will tell you if the CPU throttle, etc.

Now I realize it's probably a lot of terms you are not familiar with and you'll need to learn step by step.

Here are 2 guides that will go together as far as how overclocking works

The first one is truely about oveclocking
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1513505217

The second one is here to help you understand what went wrong while you get a BSOD
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1402962803

Read a bit of that, experiment a bit in freebuild, and come back with more precise questions.

It tells you what components I have? So that is kinda useful?

Yeah I know what the app does. But any adjustment I make causes a crash after a few seconds of testing.

Thanks will have a look.

[Blunder Bro]

Originally posted by AMD Radeon VII:

make sure to increase the voltage

Tried that. Same result.

[BonPadre]

Originally posted by Demonic Cookie:

It tells you what components I have? So that is kinda useful?

Not really because it tells nothing about how much you OC something, nor how you set voltage and what changes you made in the BIOS to OC RAM or CPU, etc.

The only useful info I have there, is that I see you have a 1600W PSU and that's at least something I know it's under control, as you will not BSOD from lack of wattage

Originally posted by Demonic Cookie:

Yeah I know what the app does. But any adjustment I make causes a crash after a few seconds of testing.

That's where the BSOD guide should help you out.

Now on a side note...
If you know noting about OC, just don't try to OC everything at once...
Focus to learn on one thing (CPU, or RAM or GPU)

Once you get how OC work on one component, you then may go over an other one.

So go try to OC your RAM first, then once stable with RAM, you go after an other one, rinse and repeat.

[Blunder Bro]

Originally posted by BonPadre:

Originally posted by Demonic Cookie:

It tells you what components I have? So that is kinda useful?

Not really because it tells nothing about how much you OC something, nor how you set voltage and what changes you made in the BIOS to OC RAM or CPU, etc.

The only useful info I have there, is that I see you have a 1600W PSU and that's at least something I know it's under control, as you will not BSOD from lack of wattage :lunar2019grinningpig:

Originally posted by Demonic Cookie:

Yeah I know what the app does. But any adjustment I make causes a crash after a few seconds of testing.

That's where the BSOD guide should help you out.

Now on a side note...
If you know noting about OC, just don't try to OC everything at once...
Focus to learn on one thing (CPU, or RAM or GPU)

Once you get how OC work on one component, you then may go over an other one.

So go try to OC your RAM first, then once stable with RAM, you go after an other one, rinse and repeat.

Well maybe it tells you if I have the wrong components? Maybe I say what components I have and someone can comment exactly what voltage, core speed and other settings I should use or that they have used? Also I kinda wanted opinions on what I have anyway? If you knew of a motherboard that would be better suited to overclocking or something then that wouldn't be bad. I also am interested in AMD but am not sure about getting a motherboard that can sustain or support the ram speeds that I want. Sucks that you can't get more cases in the game too. Luckily I am using one that I actually want.

I was only using the GPU clocker. As I said even when I have only upped the core speed by 1mhz it crashes. Even 1mhz faster and the whole system has a stroke during a test. Would have at least though that would be okay, so I assumed that maybe I had something wrong elsewhere. I haven't touched anything else.

[BonPadre]

Note : I use caps for EMPHASIS (not shouting)

Originally posted by Demonic Cookie:

Well maybe it tells you if I have the wrong components?

In this game, as long as the motherboard allows you to OC, it does not make any difference as far as OC CPU and GPU. As you noticed, it only caps the max RAM speed.

You can't really have "wrong" components if you are able to overclock them. You can have "wrong" mix of them when you try to achieve the leaderboard of OC in the game, sure, but for basic overclocking without a crazy high score you can't realy have "wrong" components.

I didn't elaborate much previously on how to OC, because honnestly I would simply re-type all what is written in the guide. So read the OC guide for how to OC in this game.

Originally posted by Demonic Cookie:

Maybe I say what components I have and someone can comment exactly what voltage, core speed and other settings I should use or that they have used?

No one can tell you the MAX OC they get, because in this game there is a thing called silicon lottery, meaning that for every overclockable parts in game, you can buy same model twice, and they will not end up with max OC results. some are better some are worse.

Now since maybe it's not very clear to me... when you say all this.. you speak in game ? or real life ? I just speak in game. I'm not skilled enough IRL to give you maybe the advices you are after. I have personally built 3 PC's IRL, but that's about it.

Also telling you the nubers for OC, would be a perfect deterrent to actually learn the OC in the game, as you learn by trial and errors.

Originally posted by Demonic Cookie:

I was only using the GPU clocker. As I said even when I have only upped the core speed by 1mhz it crashes. Even 1mhz faster and the whole system has a stroke during a test. Would have at least though that would be okay, so I assumed that maybe I had something wrong elsewhere. I haven't touched anything else.

Ok so maybe do what this poster said

Originally posted by AMD Radeon VII:

make sure to increase the voltage

Now if you want numbers... sure I can do that. (because if I don't I have a feeling that you think I'm troling you and I'm not willing to help)

On the GPU, push voltage to 120% (max), and then set core clock to 2080MHz and memory clock to 1620Mhz
That's the numbers I just set in freebuild
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1764864909
For GPU don't waste time messing around the voltage slider. Push it all to the max.
Then start trying to overclock.

If it still BSOD, again, read the BSOD screen or make a screen of YOUR BSOD. And btw, does the PC BSOD while you are set to stock speeds ? if yes... maybe it's just because you don't have thermal paste ? but ofc, that, if you don't OC anything and it happens, that's probably the BSOD guide that will help you identify that.

Now I went the full experiment with also a I-7 8700K, but I used crappy 3000MHz RAM, as I only wanted to go "enable XMP" way.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1764868596
And this is what I was able to achieve OC the CPU
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1764868584
This is the OCCT showing that it's also stable at that CPU OC (as I OC the CPU after the GPU, I don't have same timer on the test, but still, valid test)
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1764866670
Finally the 3DMark score
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1764868555

Now is this helpful to you ? I don't know, because maybe YOUR parts will not react the same way as mine did (remember the silicon lottery ?)
So maybe your 8700K will only OC up to 4800MHz or 4900MHz... also I have used the best CFM possible on that cpu cooler, aka the HE01 SilverStone (air cooler @171CFM) (best outside ofc watercooling loops)

Also case fans matter, so depending on them too you can push further maybe ?

There are so many variables, I think you were looking for simple answers, while for OC in this game, there are basic answers, but after that, it's all bout trial and errors,a nd you understanding what the basic guide will teach you.

Final note... all that is IN HERE only applies to the GAME's RULES, and by no mean are real life lessons you can apply out there. I'm not responsible for anything you may burn/break when you will start building your IRL PC.
Remember that a game is just that, a GAME not a professional simulator tool that serves for testing grounds for IRL solutions.

[Blunder Bro]

Originally posted by BonPadre:

Note : I use caps for EMPHASIS (not shouting)

Originally posted by Demonic Cookie:

Well maybe it tells you if I have the wrong components?

In this game, as long as the motherboard allows you to OC, it does not make any difference as far as OC CPU and GPU. As you noticed, it only caps the max RAM speed.

You can't really have "wrong" components if you are able to overclock them. You can have "wrong" mix of them when you try to achieve the leaderboard of OC in the game, sure, but for basic overclocking without a crazy high score you can't realy have "wrong" components.

I didn't elaborate much previously on how to OC, because honnestly I would simply re-type all what is written in the guide. So read the OC guide for how to OC in this game.

Originally posted by Demonic Cookie:

Maybe I say what components I have and someone can comment exactly what voltage, core speed and other settings I should use or that they have used?

No one can tell you the MAX OC they get, because in this game there is a thing called silicon lottery, meaning that for every overclockable parts in game, you can buy same model twice, and they will not end up with max OC results. some are better some are worse.

Now since maybe it's not very clear to me... when you say all this.. you speak in game ? or real life ? I just speak in game. I'm not skilled enough IRL to give you maybe the advices you are after. I have personally built 3 PC's IRL, but that's about it.

Also telling you the nubers for OC, would be a perfect deterrent to actually learn the OC in the game, as you learn by trial and errors.

Originally posted by Demonic Cookie:

I was only using the GPU clocker. As I said even when I have only upped the core speed by 1mhz it crashes. Even 1mhz faster and the whole system has a stroke during a test. Would have at least though that would be okay, so I assumed that maybe I had something wrong elsewhere. I haven't touched anything else.

Ok so maybe do what this poster said

Originally posted by AMD Radeon VII:

make sure to increase the voltage

Now if you want numbers... sure I can do that. (because if I don't I have a feeling that you think I'm troling you and I'm not willing to help)

On the GPU, push voltage to 120% (max), and then set core clock to 2080MHz and memory clock to 1620Mhz
That's the numbers I just set in freebuild
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1764864909
For GPU don't waste time messing around the voltage slider. Push it all to the max.
Then start trying to overclock.

If it still BSOD, again, read the BSOD screen or make a screen of YOUR BSOD. And btw, does the PC BSOD while you are set to stock speeds ? if yes... maybe it's just because you don't have thermal paste ? but ofc, that, if you don't OC anything and it happens, that's probably the BSOD guide that will help you identify that.

Now I went the full experiment with also a I-7 8700K, but I used crappy 3000MHz RAM, as I only wanted to go "enable XMP" way.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1764868596
And this is what I was able to achieve OC the CPU
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1764868584
This is the OCCT showing that it's also stable at that CPU OC (as I OC the CPU after the GPU, I don't have same timer on the test, but still, valid test)
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1764866670
Finally the 3DMark score
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1764868555

Now is this helpful to you ? I don't know, because maybe YOUR parts will not react the same way as mine did (remember the silicon lottery ?)
So maybe your 8700K will only OC up to 4800MHz or 4900MHz... also I have used the best CFM possible on that cpu cooler, aka the HE01 SilverStone (air cooler @171CFM) (best outside ofc watercooling loops)

Also case fans matter, so depending on them too you can push further maybe ?

There are so many variables, I think you were looking for simple answers, while for OC in this game, there are basic answers, but after that, it's all bout trial and errors,a nd you understanding what the basic guide will teach you.

Final note... all that is IN HERE only applies to the GAME's RULES, and by no mean are real life lessons you can apply out there. I'm not responsible for anything you may burn/break when you will start building your IRL PC.
Remember that a game is just that, a GAME not a professional simulator tool that serves for testing grounds for IRL solutions.

Yeah I know. I use the for acronyms. Also sorry if my constant questions seemed at all sarcastic. I was just trying to point in the direction I was thinking of when I posted. I know text can convey the wrong tone.

Wrong components being maybe not the best motherboard or just yeah as you said, wrong mix.

Ah okay that makes sense, I didn't know that. Fair enough can't just say it easily. I have to go out soon but will try what you have commented later. Thing is though, even the slightest adjustment made the PC crash, so that was the end of my "trial and error".

I do have thermal paste. I always put it on. So basically with it completely stock nothing bad happens. The moment I up the voltage, core speed, etc or any of those on their own by even 1% the PC crashes during test. I stopped trying and threw the thread together.

I have looked up OC in RL and it sounds as if OC can be very useful for either a gaming bosot or life boost when PC slows down. But apparently if you do it wrong you will cut the PC life short and crash etc. Apparently you also need a good motherboard and components that can sustain OC without issues. That is another reason I posted my components. I tried to find the best motherboard (which is apparently ASUS and the one of them that I choose in-game). I have been learning in-game because I am an idiot and I know I would ♥♥♥♥ up in real life, so doing this game first helps.

Yes the information provided has been helpful, thanks. I will have a run through the guides when I have some time and feel like hitting the game again. Yeah I choose the Cooler Master C700P case with 3x 140mm front fans, 2x 140mm and 1x 120mm top fans, and some CPU cooler which I CBA to find but it has two fans on it. Again if looking at my components and what I am going for and you know a better case with more airflow or fan capacity then do say. I tried this enyo open case but after some research I found the case to be flimsy in RL.

Yeah I am new to this, and now I know it isn't so simple. I have literally done nothing with computers other than change some ram, instal an OS, and change a drive. This is all very new to me.

Didn't think this game would be 100% a reality simulator but still I have learned a bit about components and building without ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ up in real life. If I can understand OC in this and later learn it for real, then anything I build will be less likely to "break/burn".

Thanks again for help.