EXTREMELY WRONG ODAL RUNE

[Tactical Nuclear Eggplant [ITA]]

Dear developers,
I'd like you to know that the Odàl rune ("ᛟ", rune of Odin) you used in the game as part of the Place of Cult icon, is a WINGED Odal Rune which is not a standard rune in any Futhark codex but instead a Nazi/Neo-nazi/far-right symbol.

Check your sources before messing with the old ways, heathenry is not a joke neither wants to be associated with such things.

Thanks and hail Gòdan!

[Gaudioom]

Only it was used at least thousands of years before the Nazi/Neo-nazi-far-right used it or existed.
So, techincally it will be associated with them only if you personally associate it with them.
Other wise it doesn't belong to them and it is perfectly fine to use it in a video game.

[Tactical Nuclear Eggplant [ITA]]

Originally posted by Gaudium:

Only it was used at least thousands of years before the Nazi/Neo-nazi-far-right used it or existed.
So, techincally it will be associated with them only if you personally associate it with them.
Other wise it doesn't belong to them and it is perfectly fine to use it in a video game.

Absolutely wrong. The winged version of the Odal rune didn't exist and had no meaning whatsoever before the Nazi regime existence:

"The rendition of the Odal rune with wings or feet (serifs) was the emblem of ethnic Germans (Volksdeutsche) of the 7th SS Volunteer Mountain Division Prinz Eugen operating during World War II in the Nazi Germany-sponsored Independent State of Croatia. This rendition has been used by the Neo-Nazi Wiking-Jugend in Germany, and in South Africa by the Anglo-Afrikaner Bond, the Boeremag, the Blanke Bevrydingsbeweging, and the Italian neo-fascist group National Vanguard. This particular rendition has no historical significance outside of Nazi Germany. Because of its Nazi associations, Strafgesetzbuch 86a bans any usage of the Odal rune as with most other symbols if used in a Neo-Nazi context.

Another version with arrows on the end was used by the 23rd SS Volunteer Panzer Grenadier Division Nederland."

If you want better sources about the Odal rune, go check any historical compendium about futhark alphabets. You won't find any winged variant of it because it simply didn't exist.

[Gaudioom]

You read the wikipedia, you are a glorious human being.
The winged one was used and the straight pointing down was used by the SS.
You are missing the point, if i take the Star of David and put it on an Isis flag, it will still remain the Star of David for the Jews and it will not be associated with Isis after it is gone.
Because it isn't its origin, simple as that.

You are associating it with the Nazi\Neo..
No one else does, because when playing the Vikings, we think of THEIR WAYS..not what some prick did in the previous century.

[Tactical Nuclear Eggplant [ITA]]

Mate. I quoted wikipedia because it is the fastest source.

Also, when you play the vikings and you have a rune that has a completely detached meaning not related to them and didn't exist until almost 1200 years after the vikings did, you're not playing their ways.

Here I am telling you that the winged Odal didn't exist before the first half of the 20th century, not that it is a symbol borrowed by the Nazis. It was literally invented by them. It's not that hard to understand.

Since you seem to like better sources, here is a compendium of ALL the runic systems known: http://www.runemal.org/it/alfabeti/i-futhark

No winged Odal rune. Are you happy now?

That winged Odal is simply wrong, no excuses. It is not a borrowed symbol, it is not a different rendition, neither a regional variant. It's just a Nazi symbol. There are no other ways of interpreting that.

I could still understand possible debates over the swastika (which was a symbol borrowed from the hindu culture) but that rune isn't anything else but a nazi symbol. That's it.

[Gaudioom]

Here scroll down:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4250390/How-far-right-hides-new-symbols-hate-PLAIN-SIGHT.html

It doesn't change its origin, it doesn't belong to them and it doesn't change the meaning of the rune.
It only proves them to be ignorant enough to use something that doesn't relfect who they are and something that isn't originally theirs.
If people stop using historic symbols because some villians are using those, then you will run out of symbols to use.
They also use the so called "real one that existed" according to you, so calm your t*its jesus man.

[Tactical Nuclear Eggplant [ITA]]

Damn mate why you have to make things so difficult...

The Odal rune as it is without wings is a borrowed symbol, the winged one is not. They use both, fine.

Yet one is a futhark letter with a meaning while the other is not and has a completely different meaning and association.

Heathens can have an Odal rune on them, be it tattooed or on an arm rings or necklace/pendants while not belonging to any far-right ideology (which is the line followed by most modern heathenry/Asatru cults and communities), but you will never find a heathen wearing a winged Odal without belonging to far-right ideologies or being ignorant about its nature.

It would be like mistaking a christian cross with an hammer and sickle. the two tools are crossed too but they aren't the same thing as the other symbol.

Does this make it clearer to you?

Also, Vikings (getting back to the original topic) didn't have that rune, so the error is there anyway.

And this shows how much people doesn't know about heathenry and the old ways in general and why it's so hard for us to get any damn recognition in a world that doesn't discern ancient letters from political symbolism.

[Gaudioom]

You ignore the fact that they are using both, so what is your suggestion?
There is none, both are being used by Nazis from the past and by present ones.

Everything is clear to me, you claim that there was no such variation, i disagree.
You can quote as many website as you want, since i can find you ones that shows you the Vikings had a winged variation.

The fact remains, they use both, does that makes it clear to you?

[Red Dragon]

Guys it's a game. Nearly no one knows about these runes EVEN IF they were used the way OP describes. I've lived Germany most of my life, I'm somewhat of a WWII nerd and even I don't know this alleged symbolism. Let's dial the austism down a notch, no one cares.

[Gaudioom]

Originally posted by Red Dragon:

Guys it's a game. Nearly no one knows about these runes EVEN IF they were used the way OP describes. I've lived Germany most of my life, I'm somewhat of a WWII nerd and even I don't know this alleged symbolism. Let's dial the austism down a notch, no one cares.

Exactly my point...no one cares, except for this guy screaming fire.
But what does it has to do with autism?

[Gaudioom]

I guess this store in Australia is selling Nazi shirts..you should contact them and explain what is the real meaning of this variation.
https://www.spreadshirt.com.au/odal+rune+men-s+premium+t-shirt-D59e9cbadaa0c6d3a5722ad80

I'm out, enjoy your silly argument by yourself.

[Tactical Nuclear Eggplant [ITA]]

Originally posted by Gaudium:

Originally posted by Red Dragon:

Guys it's a game. Nearly no one knows about these runes EVEN IF they were used the way OP describes. I've lived Germany most of my life, I'm somewhat of a WWII nerd and even I don't know this alleged symbolism. Let's dial the austism down a notch, no one cares.

Exactly my point...no one cares, except for this guy screaming fire.
but what does it has to do with autism?

I don't know you. But I feel a bit dragged in by this error, since it directly interests my culture and beliefs.

I just felt it was an useful insight for the devs (unless they went for it knowingly) from someone that knows about it and cares about it.

I doubt that anyone not willingly showing support for certain ideologies would be glad to be unkowingly connected to them. Just this.

Originally posted by Gaudium:

I guess this store in Australia is selling Nazi shirts..you should contact them and explain what is the real meaning of this variation.
https://www.spreadshirt.com.au/odal+rune+men-s+premium+t-shirt-D59e9cbadaa0c6d3a5722ad80

I'm out, enjoy your silly argument by yourself.

This shows how much ignorance over the different cultures and history itself dwells in this world.
You are just strengthening my argument.

[Рафнсвартр]

I like this rune. :)

[Hoplite]

Pfff your parents need to get you on a leash

[weaselwolf]

I have a winged odal scarified on one of my forearms.. and I'm a "heathen" through and through, quit your virtue signalling OP