Thunderbird rare appearance?

[Lilyy]

My friend and I was doing a fresh run, and we did not see a single thunderbird to send back resources, until the floor with the second boss!
We also fully explored every map in hope to find one before dying.
Why is the bird that rare to find? :/
Atleast in HoH1 there was always an elevator to send back the resources before entering a bossbattle.

[Thatsecret]

So the bird is actually bad in a way. I understand the principle of sending stuff back but here how it really work.

You have 1k gold 10 wood and 10 stone. The bird will send half of you gathering. If you die you lose, what is it 40%?

So by sending to the bird is a ''way'' to ''save'' but it's not at the same time. Because if you die afterwards with half you had well you still lose 40%. So I just run with all my gains and if I die well im not really losing much more. (im at 30% on death though)

The only reason I would use the bird is to complete the challenge for free stats.

[Seinfeld]

引用自 Thatsecret：

So the bird is actually bad in a way. I understand the principle of sending stuff back but here how it really work.

You have 1k gold 10 wood and 10 stone. The bird will send half of you gathering. If you die you lose, what is it 40%?

So by sending to the bird is a ''way'' to ''save'' but it's not at the same time. Because if you die afterwards with half you had well you still lose 40%. So I just run with all my gains and if I die well im not really losing much more. (im at 30% on death though)

The only reason I would use the bird is to complete the challenge for free stats.

How is it bad? You are still ultimately getting more resources; anything you send back via the bird isn't taxed as part of the revival fee.

[Kipp]

引用自 Thatsecret：

So the bird is actually bad in a way. I understand the principle of sending stuff back but here how it really work.

You have 1k gold 10 wood and 10 stone. The bird will send half of you gathering. If you die you lose, what is it 40%?

So by sending to the bird is a ''way'' to ''save'' but it's not at the same time. Because if you die afterwards with half you had well you still lose 40%. So I just run with all my gains and if I die well im not really losing much more. (im at 30% on death though)

The only reason I would use the bird is to complete the challenge for free stats.

That logic misses one thing though, the stuff you send with the bird isnt calculated into the stuff you lose when you die. So you have 1k gold and send 500 away, then you die (without looting more) and you lose 200, so you lose 200 instead of 400.

[Thatsecret]

I dunno. I did not feel having more ressource. Might be my impression. My bad

[NorionV]

引用自 Thatsecret：

So the bird is actually bad in a way. I understand the principle of sending stuff back but here how it really work.

You have 1k gold 10 wood and 10 stone. The bird will send half of you gathering. If you die you lose, what is it 40%?

So by sending to the bird is a ''way'' to ''save'' but it's not at the same time. Because if you die afterwards with half you had well you still lose 40%. So I just run with all my gains and if I die well im not really losing much more. (im at 30% on death though)

The only reason I would use the bird is to complete the challenge for free stats.

You've got something wrong here. You always use the bird. There's legitimately no reason not to. A late run bird saves a ♥♥♥♥ load of resources from the revive cost.

[Thatsecret]

引用自 Kipp：

引用自 Thatsecret：

So the bird is actually bad in a way. I understand the principle of sending stuff back but here how it really work.

You have 1k gold 10 wood and 10 stone. The bird will send half of you gathering. If you die you lose, what is it 40%?

So by sending to the bird is a ''way'' to ''save'' but it's not at the same time. Because if you die afterwards with half you had well you still lose 40%. So I just run with all my gains and if I die well im not really losing much more. (im at 30% on death though)

The only reason I would use the bird is to complete the challenge for free stats.

That logic misses one thing though, the stuff you send with the bird isnt calculated into the stuff you lose when you die. So you have 1k gold and send 500 away, then you die (without looting more) and you lose 200, so you lose 200 instead of 400.

Oh yea true. Too tired to make decents maths xD. But still. In my mind I was like well why send 50% when I can lose just 40% in totals xD

[I'm cucked]

引用自 Thatsecret：

So the bird is actually bad in a way. I understand the principle of sending stuff back but here how it really work.

That's... What? Ok. So here. You have 10000 gold right. You have two options. Use the bird and immediately die, or don't use the bird and immediately die. You don't use the bird and die. You get 6000 gold because your donation is 40%. Rewind. You use the bird. You send back 5000. You die. You then donate 2000, meaning your takeaway is 3000, making a total of 8000 for the run. You get 2000 more gold if you use the bird.

There is absolutely no negative to using the bird.

[KushAidMan]

引用自 Thatsecret：

引用自 Kipp：

That logic misses one thing though, the stuff you send with the bird isnt calculated into the stuff you lose when you die. So you have 1k gold and send 500 away, then you die (without looting more) and you lose 200, so you lose 200 instead of 400.

Oh yea true. Too tired to make decents maths xD. But still. In my mind I was like well why send 50% when I can lose just 40% in totals xD

dude XD gets ur facts right before you complain abt smth

[I Throw Spears.]

Anyways its totally RNG. Have had runs with 4 birds. Have had runs with no birds.

[Raga]

引用自 Thatsecret：

So the bird is actually bad in a way. I understand the principle of sending stuff back but here how it really work.

You have 1k gold 10 wood and 10 stone. The bird will send half of you gathering. If you die you lose, what is it 40%?

So by sending to the bird is a ''way'' to ''save'' but it's not at the same time. Because if you die afterwards with half you had well you still lose 40%. So I just run with all my gains and if I die well im not really losing much more. (im at 30% on death though)

The only reason I would use the bird is to complete the challenge for free stats.

Good lord the math in this..

Please just use the bird every single time. You are sending back 50% to your town to secure it so when you die, its not affected. I would suggest clearing the entire area before using the bird and progressing so you can maximize what you send back.

[Ap0calyp2e]

The lightning bird seems like a stop gap fix for a problem they created. losing 40% feels bad full stop. id rather just get 40% less on a run than to get a bunch of items just to have them taken away. Having to start the run over when you die and losing all your spell power ups and trinkets is the punishment. i know the church reduces the amount but theres other ways to have the same amount of resources coming out of the run but in a way that feels rewarding to the player.

[noah9942]

yeah, the 40% loss is just bad design. they should've just adjusted the drop rates and made a structure increase material drops or something

[Magnnus]

This reminds me of an old development story from the pre-release of original World of Warcraft. For those not aware, in WoW, players accumulate bonus experience while offline in a tavern. That bonus experience then gets used up in roughly an hour of playtime. Before the game released, players got normal experience for about an hour and then got _penalized_. But being penalized made players feel bad. So, the developers reduced experience across the board and added _bonus_ experience for about an hour. Players got exactly the same amount of experience, but the psychological effect of getting a bonus was _positive_, while the psychological effect of being penalized was _negative_.

[Lavis]

引用自 Thatsecret：

引用自 Kipp：

That logic misses one thing though, the stuff you send with the bird isnt calculated into the stuff you lose when you die. So you have 1k gold and send 500 away, then you die (without looting more) and you lose 200, so you lose 200 instead of 400.

Oh yea true. Too tired to make decents maths xD. But still. In my mind I was like well why send 50% when I can lose just 40% in totals xD

Bird is worth using every time.

Say you have 100 wood.

You send 50% back.

This leaves you with 50 wood. You die and lose 40% of that (20). This leaves you with 30 wood + the 50 you sent back. So overall you lost 20% vs 40% (kept 80 wood instead of 60).

Hope that clears it up!

[Nyu]

the bird only sends 33% of what you own?
or maybe its ressources, i never paid attention to money.

but yes always use it, maybe sometimes loot the stage before, but use the bird.