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The upgrade is worth the price certainly if a) you are interested in the updated MLB rosters and b) you want to support Markus Heinsohn. Both of those are excellent reasons right there.
Don´t know this improvements are worth 37 € but it´s worth to support OOTP Developments (Markus Heinsohn + Company) in Germany.
Not to me they're not.
a) I play fictional, and
b) There are plenty of other hard working small devs putting out good stuff, and they could use some money too.
I want to know if there are any SUBSTANTIAL reasons to upgrade from 18. I don't care about real Taiwanese rosters or color barrier tweaks or different skins and other such tiny bullet points.
Are the coaches fleshed out yet? That is, if I want to hire a batting or pitching coach and need to know if they're good or not, will I still have to go through that process of turning on the commissioner mode and going through the potential hires one by one?
How about minor league management? I'd like to start at the bottom, but I don't want to constantly lose and regain half my roster in the course of a week like in previous versions.
Personality tweaks to players and owners? I don't want something as extreme as FM, but I'd like a bit more of the sense that I'm managing people vs. projecting stats.
And anything I might have missed, like a gross improvement to the 3d game interface or the like?
I'm a fan of the game... I owned OOTP 3 and most versions since. But speaking for myself I'm not gonna buy a new version just to buy it, unless it's for some ridiculously low price or something. I need to see at least one improvement that I'm constantly going to be using or coming into contact with.
Still, why not answer you questions, I haven't filled my quota for abuse yet today.
Coaches are better than they have been, but they're not as detailed as players. Often enough, talented players become coaches if you sim long enough. There are detailed filters to search for coach talent, since the coaching AI is important for running your team. I don't know why you'd want to or need to go through Commissioner mode for that, but you can play your game your way.
The minors stink. But then they do in real life. How would you ever find a MLB minor team that doesn't have its roster shifted every few days? That's the whole idea of minors baseball. If you really have to start at the bottom, play in an independant league like Mexico, Cuba, or hey here's a thought, Taiwan, where there are few teams and so not many trades. You'll still build your managerial rep and then you'll get job offers from MLB. Or just sim a few seasons without doing anything until you get called up, it works either way.
Owner personalities have been tweaked somewhat. They aren't as irrational before, and they don't seem to be suffering from death waves or owner serial killers like in previous OOTPBs. Player personality aggregates into team chemistry which might not win games but certainly loses them. Other than that, though, you're looking at stats.
I really doubt 18 is for you, friend. Wait until next year or two, or buy a different franchise, there's no shortage of them now.
Previously, until around OOTP14 or so, you could view the talent level of your prospective coaches.
For some reason they turned that off, and ever since then you can only view a coaches reputation without turning on commissioner mode. Problem there is... reputation has nothing whatsoever to do with how talented a coach actually is.
There's a series of 1-200 scales which are actually used for coaches - dealing with youngsters, dealing with veterans, ability to teach hitting, etc... and without turning on commissioner mode you have no idea what those values are when hiring a coach. So yes, it's important for the running of your team and yes, it is currently a crapshoot.
I'm really surprised that you don't know this if you are a regular OOTP player.
That's not true at all. I created a thread about exactly that a few years ago on the forum and did some research. Unless that's been changed recently, the rate at which players were moved up and down in OOTP is nothing like how they are moved IRL.
I don't know about 19 but in recent versions of OOTP you often see players moved up a level and back down a level several times a month. Not short season/spring training stuff but levels like AA in midseason. What would that teach a player IRL? No major league team would treat their prospects like that.
That sounds completely unchanged from OOTP18.
Like we've established, you've got your standards and I have mine. If a franchises primary selling points are that they have updated their rosters from the year before and that the dev is a nice guy, that's not something I'm shelling out $30 for. Maybe that makes me an ass. I'll accept that judgement.
I wanna add that a lot of small indie devs on Steam are capital fellows, BTW.
You couldn't have just come in here and, you know, asked about the things you're specifically interested in, instead of making sure everyone knows that updated rosters is the absolute last thing you care about?
Was what I asked not a match with that? I asked specific questions about the things I was interested in.
Did I call Twelvefield any names or anything? No. But I do believe that, "Updated rosters and because the dev is a good guy" are very weak selling points and I had no problem questioning that.
How about you? Do you have anything useful to contribute, or are you just interested in arguing?
And the way it works is... I've now demonstrated some knowledge of the game. Slowly, the Sportstalk Radio clowns will start to take a back seat, and the more decent members who are REALLY knowledgeable about OOTP will come in and have an actual conversation. It's like kicking someone's butt to earn respect when you first get into prison or something, except you have to do this every time you show up.
The OOTP forums used to be filled to the brim with stuff like this, and I thought they had stamped it out. I know there was a genuine effort to do so at one point.
Anyway, I've gotten the answer I needed and I'm unsubbing. Do your thing, boys.
In parting I'd ask these 'experts' to look inside and question if the way they talk is in any way helpful to the reputation and development of this game. But I've seen people ask them that question repeatedly over the past 10 years, and they really don't care.
And the trdae AI settings for me are either too easy or too hard, same as it's been forever. I always use fictional rosters and I know it's hard to get realistic AI regarding trades, but there's been ZERO improvement in this area while the devs are focused on adding so much other useless crap every year. I bought OOTP m18 but not even sure if I would buy 19 at 50% off at this point.
Trading is still broken might be even worse then before. On regular settings it is next to impossible to trade for any prospects. Hey you want a two star prospect for your 3 star mlb player well in return you need to give up a 2 1/2 star prospect as well. :?
Thanks for the reply. Think I'm gonna pass on '19.