How to get Malchiodi key?

[White Boy Winter]

anyone know?

[Knives]

Continue on the main mission, after you "Touch the Eye", his body is on the left impaled on some void spikes.

[Zekiran]

And right then you also need to start worrying about Envisioned, because holy crap they are dangerous.

[White Boy Winter]

Originally posted by Zekiran:

And right then you also need to start worrying about Envisioned, because holy crap they are dangerous.

Doing non lethal playthrough. Didn't know they count as kills.

[Zekiran]

You don't have to kill them.

[White Boy Winter]

Originally posted by Zekiran:

You don't have to kill them.

I know, but they keep spotting me at the same spot, live and let learn.

[Zekiran]

Right, that's to scare the bejesus out of you. :)

[Knives]

Originally posted by Chicken and Waffles:

Originally posted by Zekiran:

You don't have to kill them.

I know, but they keep spotting me at the same spot, live and let learn.

The worst part is the warping through walls. Had one warp in right behind me when I was unlocking Malchiodi's door. -.-
They're even nastier if there's a dead body around. They spring up rock-zombie-things from the corpses.
The bone charm that reduces perception targets marked by foresight helps alot with their super detection abilities.
They seemed to cluster around areas on playthroughs where I left dead bodies everywhere, I had 5 or 6 of them around the final portal area on my stealth/kill everything run, and only 2 on my "knockout and take time to hide the bodies run". Give me clockwork's any day.

[Sunn Bro]

Is it just me or are those guys impossible to stealth kill? Everytime I've gotten near one they auto-detect me and I didn't get the option to air assassinate them either

[Zekiran]

They're supernatural beings who can see an admittedly-small but completely clear area around them, in the void. Of course you can't kill them with stealth :)


And for whatever reason I just got an image of putting a cucumber next to a cat and watching it jump? And wondering what would do that for these things.

I don't think you can surprise them, in other words.

[The_Water_Bear]

Originally posted by Corbitchin:

Originally posted by Zekiran:

You don't have to kill them.

I know, but they keep spotting me at the same spot, live and let learn.

try using the bone charm that lowers spotted enemies' perception it makes it so you can litteraly wait til you touch he envisioned till they see you from behind and you need to be standing very close to anyone else for them to see you if you are in their fov

[The_Water_Bear]

Originally posted by Sunn brO))):

Is it just me or are those guys impossible to stealth kill? Everytime I've gotten near one they auto-detect me and I didn't get the option to air assassinate them either

you just need to knock them down first
if you have overcharg on the gun use overcharge with a bolt and knock them down then i believe you just have to jump on them and kill them that way

[The_Water_Bear]

Originally posted by Dah_Epic_Water_Bear:

Originally posted by Sunn brO))):

Is it just me or are those guys impossible to stealth kill? Everytime I've gotten near one they auto-detect me and I didn't get the option to air assassinate them either

you just need to knock them down first
if you have overcharg on the gun use overcharge with a bolt and knock them down then i believe you just have to jump on them and kill them that way

but i also had the bonecharm i mentioned earlier to assist me so idk