So what is the outsider's name?

[Auditore]

Any thoughts?

EDIT!: Jesh... Does anybody even know his name???

[Zekiran]

Originally posted by szefo:

Its Gordon.

Gordon can't speak! Wait he can in dreams, then?




omg now i'm imagining Ross Scott doing the Outsider's dialog.

[Skelly Man]

Originally posted by Zekiran:

Originally posted by SwaggyBooty:

It's not possible to pronounce unless you are dead

Not necessarily, you can also be dreaming.

However, it does take the idea of a "dead language" (as in, no one speaks it or reads it any more, like some Earth languages) pretty far...

I don't think they meant it cannot be said by anyone but the dead, but the script is unreadable to anyone alive. It's certainly akin to some Earth languages that have fallen into complete disuse because the people who spoke them or wrote them are now long gone. Remember, that until we had the Rosetta Stone no one alive could read or even make any sense of the ancient Egyptian heiroglyphs found on pyramids and temples. NO ONE - even the modern Egyptians - could read it.

Even with the Rosetta Stone, there's still things that we don't know about ancient Egyptian language, like what the language actually sounded like when spoken. The closest thing to it is Coptic (which is often used to depict the language in media that depicts ancient Egypt and its language, like how Ramses II's speech is depicted in Civilization 5), but we don't 100% know what it sounded like in its purest form.

For all we know, the language that the Outsider's name is written in could have been spoken by the original cult/civilization that created him thousands of years ago and simply been forgotten over time just like ancient Egyptian, but the only way it's managed to survive this long is through Void spirits remembering it. Maybe the reason why it's stated to be unspeakable by living people is because while the original 'living' way of pronouncing it was forgotten, it was just simply interpreted and spoken differently by the spirits that happened to learn it and adapted it to their tongues (like toe-may-toe, toe-mah-toe or something).

[Zekiran]

Yups, my point. We see the writing - well, we see the Outsider's mark, anyway, but pretty much everyone for many generations clearly thinks of it as JUST a mark, might as well be a doodle for all they know.

I'd kind of like it if the devs would re-do some of the runes and bonecharm textures to reflect the alphabet shown, instead of using a 'it's kinda runic' style.

[Skelly Man]

Originally posted by Zekiran:

Yups, my point. We see the writing - well, we see the Outsider's mark, anyway, but pretty much everyone for many generations clearly thinks of it as JUST a mark, might as well be a doodle for all they know.

I'd kind of like it if the devs would re-do some of the runes and bonecharm textures to reflect the alphabet shown, instead of using a 'it's kinda runic' style.

It might as well just be a doodle at the end of the game anyway, because regardless of which ending happens to be canon, the Outsider is either dead or human again, and therefore, the mark no longer holds any power either way since it's just his name with nothing attached to it.

[Zekiran]

Well, we don't know that for sure yet.

I can imagine their world would have a ton of bad side effects waiting. I mean, everything else in their world is utterly horrible. "Oh yeah, by the way anyone with this mark, or who've doodled it or drawn it or tattooed it, they're now going to explode whenever magic is used around them" or "I can still see everyone that I've touched with that stupid mark, even the dead ones."

[snake_angel_18]

Regarding your edit: no we don't. The game never gave us the letters that correspond to the Mark. We know that the Mark is his name, but since they never told us or gave use the corresponding letters we don't know what it is.

Only the dead can read it, and there wasn't any audio of Daud saying it in the non-lethal ending. Unless the developers tells us what it is, we will never know what his name is.

[Legion]

My name is Jose Jiminiz

[SnapeSlytherin]

LEEROY JENKINS!!!

[Mephisto]

Bob

[Mr Stealth]

Im not entirely sure yet, but given that at the end there is a cultist that has been researching the old alphabet and has figured out that there is a few pronounciations that sounds like ch, th and sh and that there only is 16 symbols, then it might be possible to when there is released more info about it to piece together the puzzle and figure out how to pronounce all 16 symbols on their own.

Also, i dont know how that alphabet is supposed to work ( although i think it might work like the asian alphabets ) but i dont think that the three symbols that the cultist figured out goes together.

I`ll probably come back in the future if i figure out any more details about the alphabet.

[Zekiran]

The three symbols ARE his name. They are in fact, the Mark, so... I don't really know what else could be gleaned, aside from we know there are a few syllables they commonly use.

Since there are no other examples OF this language, basically anywhere, it's kinda hard to say. I do wish they'd used this script or at least retrofitted / updated the prior games, to put them on the Runes and bonecharms. That would make SO much more sense than the basically nordic runes that are on them now.

[UncleVagrant]

It's definitely a thing to over-think. The mark is/was his name and several symbols seem to have been decifered... but it is surely moot once the game or this episode is finished.

I think it's agiven that the language is forgotten in time rather than only spirits being able to read or speak it and thus why Daud whispers it into The Outsider's ear, without us hearing . Otherwise there would be subbies! :) Also, give the devs a break, they don't need to create an entire language for this. The game is awesome and full of a varierty of ways to do the same task.

[Zekiran]

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if they DID have the language. Arkane is very thorough, but sometimes the artwork doesn't reflect the entire depth of their ability. I have some screenshots of the letters and items on one of the bulletin boards somewhere in the game, and they basically used a mixture of Greek lettering and the old standby latin paragraph lorem ipso to fill space. They likely never thought anyone would be able to read it anyway. :/

[terminus]

*ahem* His name is Robin Lord Taylor.

But, seriously, somebody will have to crack Harvey on his next AMA.

[Zekiran]

Originally posted by hvoyic:

*ahem* His name is Robin Lord Taylor.

I am allll about this :D He's so perfect. I know lots of people think that he's crap compared to the first, but honestly the other guy really just phoned it in and was dull as hell imo. And Taylor *looks* like the character. :)