Any sales info on this yet?

[robomagon]

Really interested to find out how well it did.

[Paranochat]

Reloaded님이 먼저 게시:

If you think Divinity: Original Sin 2 is a better game, you've never visited its forums. Countless people complaining about its brutal difficulty and just rage quitting the game at Act 1.

Well in a world where games tend to be easier each day, I'm not surprised that people complain to anything that can't be won by mashing a single button.

I don't know how "brutal" the difficulty of DOS2 is though, so I can't judge.

[GustavGlaven]

Paranochat님이 먼저 게시:

GustavGlaven님이 먼저 게시:

It should give you an overall feel on which the general consumer feels is higher quality.

Not really though, the games are completely different and target a different audience, so it doesn't give any idea on which people find to be of higher quality. I mean, if CSGO has more players (buyers I mean) than The Witcher 3, does it mean people think CSGO is of higher quality ? I doubt it, and in any case, both games target a different audience and their quality is judged on different criteria. Comparing DOS2 and DOTO to see which is more successful seems pointless to me.

GustavGlaven님이 먼저 게시:

Voting with the wallet is one benchmark of quality.

It's really not, as a lot of people are ready to throw money at anything we throw at them. The most successful games aren't always the best ones. Thing is, a LOT of people just want something to play with, without regards to quality. They'd buy the lastest game just to get something.
That's why the blockbusters (even the bad ones) work.
I get the "vote with your wallet" thing, but it has proven to be ineffective to bring more quality games, because people will gladly pre-order a 100$ singleplayer game, even if it's sh*t. Now that most singleplayer games have 40$ season pass AND micro-transactions... the wallet votes show that people like mediocre games, DLCs, MTX and Season passes nowadays.
The wallet doesn't tell the difference between really great game and a mediocre cashgrab with tons of useless stuff to spend more money on.

Now I agree that DOTO didn't sell well, and that it's not as good as the other Dishonored games, but still, my points still stand.

Blockbusters work because the have large advertising budgets and publishers with a lot of money kind of like DOTO. Larian doesn't have bethesda, they just have a good reputation. Reputation for quality does that.

[Paranochat]

GustavGlaven님이 먼저 게시:

Blockbusters work because the have large advertising budgets and publishers with a lot of money kind of like DOTO. Larian doesn't have bethesda, they just have a good reputation. Reputation for quality does that.

DOTO didn't get THAT much advertising, but I agree with this. It got more than most.
However, if DOS2 sells well only thanks to its quality and reputation, it's not the case for a lot of other games.

What you've said about advertisement is really true, but that proves that voting with your wallet doesn't work, because even a bad game can sell decently well with good advertising. Hell, even companies with awful reputation still sell half-done blockbusters and make great profit out of them.

[GustavGlaven]

Paranochat님이 먼저 게시:

GustavGlaven님이 먼저 게시:

Blockbusters work because the have large advertising budgets and publishers with a lot of money kind of like DOTO. Larian doesn't have bethesda, they just have a good reputation. Reputation for quality does that.

DOTO didn't get THAT much advertising, but I agree with this. It got more than most.
However, if DOS2 sells well only thanks to its quality and reputation, it's not the case for a lot of other games.

What you've said about advertisement is really true, but that proves that voting with your wallet doesn't work, because even a bad game can sell decently well with good advertising. Hell, even companies with awful reputation still sell half-done blockbusters and make great profit out of them.

Sure it is the case for other games as well. Look at witcher 3 or rocket league off the top of my head.

Bad games can sell reasonably well based on advertising, but they can't retain players and lose future sales based on user reviews. It also doesn't help that the publisher of this game wen't from having a great reputation to being one of the most reviled.

[Voland]

as i heard, dishonored 2 and prey have poor sales. so there i think same thing

same for last deus ex. looks like genre again coming to long sleeping(((((((

[GustavGlaven]

Voland님이 먼저 게시:

as i heard, dishonored 2 and prey have poor sales. so there i think same thing

same for last deus ex. looks like genre again coming to long sleeping(((((((

The latest deus ex, had much community backlash due to consumers being milked. Google "augment your preorder". The same with Hitman becoming episodic. It's nothing to do with the genre, people are hyped about cyberpunk 2077 and it will sell well unless they pull some anti consumer ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Dishonored 2 couldn't even run at a locked 60 fps on a titan x when it was released, and prey was loaded with game breaking bugs that didn't get fixed until death of the outsider was in post. Dishonored 2 still isn't fixed.

[t850terminator]

DoTo suffers from Dishonored 2 optimization reputation.
And its an immersive sim, the audience is an unusual overlap of FPS, adventure, & RPG, a smaller more specific demographic.
Most games in this sub-genre (Dishonored 1 & Deus Ex:HR being the exception) don't sell that well, and usually become "cult classics".
And for some reason Arkane struggles to fully embrace PC (srsly, Harvey, OG Deus Ex is still active for a reason, Arkane games would be everlasting with mod support).

Meanwhile Divinity 2 is a more traditional PC RPG (a way bigger demographic) that fully embraces PC straight out of the gate (dedicated mod support confirmed! yeah!)