(Spoilers) Daud should've been the main character

[Grant]

Daud's motivations in removing the outsider were greater than any other character in the Dishonored universe. Why did they squander a potentially amazing conclusion to his story arc by making him a spectator?

In general, Death of the Outsider felt very contrived and unappealing; not only for its limitations in void powers, but because we'll never be able to play as Daud again.

[Paranochat]

Well, I kinda agree that Daud would make a better character to go against the Outsider. They refused to make Daud the protagonist again because it "would've been too easy".

Billie could be interesting on her own story, but here, it really feels like the idea was for Daud and they changed it mid-way.

[erinrca]

I agree. This expansion feels like it should have been Daud's story. He should have been the main protagonist. The expansion feels forced to me, like Billie was forced into a role she didn't fit into. That said, Death of the Outsider was a good expansion, but it could have been a great expansion. If Daud had been the main protagonist, it likely would have been.

[Zekiran]

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I don't think so. If you look at the bigger picture, Daud was Marked - and he hated the Outsider. What would the Outsider do with his own power - his own name - used against him?

It was a story of forgiveness, and the moments when Billie is convincing Daud that the Outsider doesn't deserve this awful fate, what's left of Daud is no longer hateful and resentful. He forgave Billie years ago, he never forgave *himself*, and sought to blame the Outsider for "what he became, a monster like him". It's as much about Daud forgiving himself, admitting his mistakes and sticking with that (as he hinted at the end of his dlc), as it is him forgiving the Outsider who was never actually to blame.

In another thread I suggest that the man stuck in the taxidermist's basement is a metaphor for the Outsider sending his Mark out into the world. He really, really wanted to be released from the Void, and that was the only way he could do it. By shaking things up, by forcing people to at least try. But the Eyeless were really more zealous than the Abbey in that regard. Heck, if the Abbey hadn't realized their entire 'religion' would fall apart they would have done this eagerly.

But as the Outsider tells her: Billie is different. She knows first hand the losses and dangers of the world. I'm sure that Daud did too at one point. It's why the Outsider offered his Mark to people like Corvo and the Rat Boy. He saw himself in them, and definitely in her - but Daud had already 'gotten to' Billie. She knew how to use the gifts she was presented, and she'd always been portrayed as a very smart, very observant woman.

Daud would not have been able to forgive himself, had he killed the Outsider. It would have been a horrible, bleak ending to the era, because then what - he is dead, and cannot forgive himself with even more blood on his hands, murdering an essentially innocent young man *again* for having tried to get himself out of the awful situation he'd been forced into.

Billie's dialog to Daud says what needs to be said. Daud as a character would not have been able to pull it off.

[erinrca]

Don't get me wrong. I think Billie should have been part of the story, but Daud should have been the main focus. She could still have been there to help him find his way, but she should have been a supporting character. I think that the developers orginally intended for Daud to be the main character and I think they should have gone with their original impulse.

[Sad Pug]

Originally posted by erinrca:

Don't get me wrong. I think Billie should have been part of the story, but Daud should have been the main focus. She could still have been there to help him find his way, but she should have been a supporting character. I think that the developers orginally intended for Daud to be the main character and I think they should have gone with their original impulse.

If you think about it and remove all the cliche writing of what woman thinks, you will see that it is actually story about Daud and you're in the center of it (because you are there) and on the sidelines at the same time (because, really, it didn't cross Billie's mind to do that).

[Insight of Olostromus]

Originally posted by Allen "Captain" Grant:

Daud's motivations in removing the outsider were greater than any other character in the Dishonored universe. Why did they squander a potentially amazing conclusion to his story ark by making him a spectator?

In general, Death of the Outsider felt very contrived and unappealing; not only for its limitations in void powers, but because we'll never be able to play as Daud again.

This is why we are pissed off on these snowflakes SJWS. They should stay away from the gaming with their stupid ideology.

[Grant]

I'm not sure if the developers were driven by identity politics, but I think the dialogue for Billie and the decisions she undertook were far more suitable for Daud.

[erinrca]

Originally posted by Allen "Captain" Grant:

I'm not sure if the developers were driven by identity politics, but I think the dialogue for Billie and the decisions she undertook were far more suitable for Daud.

This!

[halbermensch999]

Originally posted by Insight of Olostromus:

Originally posted by Allen "Captain" Grant:

Daud's motivations in removing the outsider were greater than any other character in the Dishonored universe. Why did they squander a potentially amazing conclusion to his story ark by making him a spectator?

In general, Death of the Outsider felt very contrived and unappealing; not only for its limitations in void powers, but because we'll never be able to play as Daud again.

This is why we are pissed off on these snowflakes SJWS. They should stay away from the gaming with their stupid ideology.

Nobody is complaing as much as guys like you.

[Bella]

Is it that Daud should have been the main protagonist, or more that Billie’s character (“fleshed out” - not) for this chapter, falls pretty flat?

I absolutely loved Knife of Dunwall and Brigmore Witches, and get why Daud is such a popular choice, but I think I also get why they chose an alternative.

If it had been Daud again, we’d not have had this refreshing change of pace and style for the Powers, which once I got my head around, I found added a new dimension to the gameplay.

So, personally, it’s not so much I wish it had been Daud, but more that I wish they’d done a better job with Billie.

[Bella]

Originally posted by Allen "Captain" Grant:

Daud's motivations in removing the outsider were greater than any other character in the Dishonored universe..

Daud’s so called motivation was utter BS in my opinion. Apart from the fact the Outsider is actually not to blame for any of it, it is a complete reversal of character for Daud, from a man who owned his crimes and accepted responsibility of same, to a whiney old man looking to blame someone else for the choices he made.
It has jarred with me from the start – just ain’t the daud I came to know and love.

[Insight of Olostromus]

Originally posted by Allen "Captain" Grant:

I'm not sure if the developers were driven by identity politics, but I think the dialogue for Billie and the decisions she undertook were far more suitable for Daud.

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2017/09/dishonored-death-of-the-outsider-writer-hired-for-tweets-was-gender-studies-major/39633/

[hatthewmartley]

Originally posted by Allen "Captain" Grant:

we'll never be able to play as Daud again.

Prequels are a thing brutha, here's hoping. I feel like the next game should be all Daud.

[Sad Pug]

Originally posted by Imma-Bella:

Originally posted by Allen "Captain" Grant:

Daud's motivations in removing the outsider were greater than any other character in the Dishonored universe..

Daud’s so called motivation was utter BS in my opinion. Apart from the fact the Outsider is actually not to blame for any of it, it is a complete reversal of character for Daud, from a man who owned his crimes and accepted responsibility of same, to a whiney old man looking to blame someone else for the choices he made.
It has jarred with me from the start – just ain’t the daud I came to know and love.

If destroying limbo and wanting to just rest in peace is "BS", than I don't know what would be good.
I mean, he says it himself (or implies it - well, to me it was obvious) that the price is high or whatever and those marked go to face the fate worse than death - sitting in the void and losing all that made you.
Lo and behold, exactly that's what happens and you see that.
In my opinion, the things that sucked were the endings and some of the writing. Endings were really bad.