Royal Family Line Is Kind Of Messed Up

[Goodyear]

So I've noticed some things that either make no sense or have some pretty weird implications:

First off, the Kingdom of Zeal are descendants of Laruba village, not Ioka village. While it's obvious that Ayla is Marle's ancestor, something weird happened in the timeline, because they have purple (blue?) hair instead of blonde (sorry, I'm colourblind). While I thought nothing of it as a kid, I'm experienced enough in character designer Akira Toriyama's methods to know that he shows lineage through hair (Just look at anyone in Dragon Ball with parents, and you'll see what I mean). I know Marle is a direct descendant of Schala, as well, which makes everything even more weirder.

The second really weird thing is the implications of avunculate, or "divine" marriage. What this means is basically members of the royal family only marry with other close members of the same family, like a sibling or parent. The reason I think this is going on, is because Marle is a direct descendant of Queen Leene, being Nadia Leene, but her father the king is also a direct descendant of Leene's husband, also named King Guardia. SWo unless the Guardia family keeps the Leene family around as breeding stock, the Leene and Guardia family's are actually the same family.

[Sekkuar666]

The thing with Schala's hair don't necessarily mean Ayla messed around, it's been 65 million years, there's enough time for other genes to be introduced into the family.
(Also note, for whatever reason that's never explained, in Chrono Cross, Schala is blond and looks nothing like she does in Chrono Trigger, so they might have changed in the sequel for this reason)

As for the royal family, as it's definitely possible that there's inbreeding going on as royal family often did that in the middle ages (irl), that could also not be the case.
We know for a fact that Marle is descendant of Leene (but not necessarily king Guardia as we can see in the ending where Marle turns into a frog because she became a descendant of Frog|). It's likely that if the king Guardia of 600 did not have a male heir, a new king would take his place from his side of the family (like a brother or a nephew). So while the king Guardia of 1000 is in the same lineage as king Guardia of 600, they might not necessarily be directly descendant.

As for the Guardia and the Leene family, it was also common for different kingdoms to offer their daughters in marriage to keep alliances. So yeah, Leene's daughter might have been forced to marry her father's brother or something like that.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

The Guardia line can’t be direct descendants of Schala as then the Guardia line would disappear after the Ocean Palace event. Marle has time traveller’s immunity but her bloodline does not.

[Goodyear]

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

The Guardia line can’t be direct descendants of Schala as then the Guardia line would disappear after the Ocean Palace event. Marle has time traveller’s immunity but her bloodline does not.

Marle is a direct descendant of Schala, which explains why she her lineage has Schala's pendant, made from the same Redstone Ayla carried, as she is the ancestor of both Schala and Marle, but gave you the Redstone instead of passing it on. Technically, without that Redstone, the Kingdom of Zeal never finds magic, never creates the Mammon Machine, the Red Dagger is never created to become the Masamune, and everything gets blurry, like the Ocean Palace never gets created. Some things only happen because our characters influence them into being, and thus remove entire events and characters from the normal flow of time. Then there's that whole theory Robo drops about us actually reliving the memories of some entity, which explains away every loop hole, as memories aren't always the greatest.

[Goodyear]

Originally posted by Sekkuar666:

The thing with Schala's hair don't necessarily mean Ayla messed around, it's been 65 million years, there's enough time for other genes to be introduced into the family.
(Also note, for whatever reason that's never explained, in Chrono Cross, Schala is blond and looks nothing like she does in Chrono Trigger, so they might have changed in the sequel for this reason)

As for the royal family, as it's definitely possible that there's inbreeding going on as royal family often did that in the middle ages (irl), that could also not be the case.
We know for a fact that Marle is descendant of Leene (but not necessarily king Guardia as we can see in the ending where Marle turns into a frog because she became a descendant of Frog|). It's likely that if the king Guardia of 600 did not have a male heir, a new king would take his place from his side of the family (like a brother or a nephew). So while the king Guardia of 1000 is in the same lineage as king Guardia of 600, they might not necessarily be directly descendant.

As for the Guardia and the Leene family, it was also common for different kingdoms to offer their daughters in marriage to keep alliances. So yeah, Leene's daughter might have been forced to marry her father's brother or something like that.

I don't personally think anything from Chrono Cross or Radical Dreamers should count here, for a few reasons. Akira Toriyama wasn't the character designer for those games, and they couldn't actually figure out a way to tie in all three games, so they decided not to, otherwise Guile would be Gil, who is Magus. The connections between the games are very weird and hard to follow, like Cross takes place in a world where Crono and gang defeated Lavos in pre-history, which changes everything that occurs in the timeline.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by Goodyear:

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

The Guardia line can’t be direct descendants of Schala as then the Guardia line would disappear after the Ocean Palace event. Marle has time traveller’s immunity but her bloodline does not.

Marle is a direct descendant of Schala, which explains why she her lineage has Schala's pendant, made from the same Redstone Ayla carried, as she is the ancestor of both Schala and Marle, but gave you the Redstone instead of passing it on. Technically, without that Redstone, the Kingdom of Zeal never finds magic, never creates the Mammon Machine, the Red Dagger is never created to become the Masamune, and everything gets blurry, like the Ocean Palace never gets created. Some things only happen because our characters influence them into being, and thus remove entire events and characters from the normal flow of time. Then there's that whole theory Robo drops about us actually reliving the memories of some entity, which explains away every loop hole, as memories aren't always the greatest.

But what I’m saying is if the Guardia bloodline was descended directly from Schala, then Guardia should no longer exist after the Ocean Palace incident, since Schala would not be there to give birth to the lineage.

The Guardia family must have gotten the pendant by some other means in the original timeline.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by Goodyear:

Originally posted by Sekkuar666:

The thing with Schala's hair don't necessarily mean Ayla messed around, it's been 65 million years, there's enough time for other genes to be introduced into the family.
(Also note, for whatever reason that's never explained, in Chrono Cross, Schala is blond and looks nothing like she does in Chrono Trigger, so they might have changed in the sequel for this reason)

As for the royal family, as it's definitely possible that there's inbreeding going on as royal family often did that in the middle ages (irl), that could also not be the case.
We know for a fact that Marle is descendant of Leene (but not necessarily king Guardia as we can see in the ending where Marle turns into a frog because she became a descendant of Frog|). It's likely that if the king Guardia of 600 did not have a male heir, a new king would take his place from his side of the family (like a brother or a nephew). So while the king Guardia of 1000 is in the same lineage as king Guardia of 600, they might not necessarily be directly descendant.

As for the Guardia and the Leene family, it was also common for different kingdoms to offer their daughters in marriage to keep alliances. So yeah, Leene's daughter might have been forced to marry her father's brother or something like that.

I don't personally think anything from Chrono Cross or Radical Dreamers should count here, for a few reasons. Akira Toriyama wasn't the character designer for those games, and they couldn't actually figure out a way to tie in all three games, so they decided not to, otherwise Guile would be Gil, who is Magus. The connections between the games are very weird and hard to follow, like Cross takes place in a world where Crono and gang defeated Lavos in pre-history, which changes everything that occurs in the timeline.

Chrono Cross essentially overwrote Radical Dreamers as the writer Masato Kato wasn’t happy with it.

Also that is not what happens in Cross at all. After Lavos was defeated, Belthasar was sent to a version of 2300 AD that wasn’t destroyed. He then builds a facility called Chronopolis using bits of Mother Brain and Robo to create a supercomputer named FATE. An event causes Chronopolis and FATE to be sent back in time to Antiquity, creating a new timeline. FATE then terraforms the archipelago Cross takes place in. At the same time another facility called Dinopolis, from a timeline where Lavos never landed on Earth, is also sent there. Other than the archipelago and the things going on there, this new timeline is exactly the same as Trigger’s. However, the characters from Trigger while having experienced the same events are technically not the same ones we play as in Trigger. Since Cross takes place in a new timeline and only requires Lavos to have been defeated, any ending in Trigger can still be canon.