Lucca and Taban are horrible people

[Sekkuar666]

Lucca and Taban are a pair of geniuses daughter and father, they can build amazing things such as a completely autonomous bipedal fighting and singing robot, plasma guns, and a teleport machine.

Yet they still haven't been able to build a freaking wheelchair for their mom/wife Lara who doesn't have legs.

To make matters worse, they leave Lara alone in a bedroom ON THE SECOND FLOOR of a house with no accessibility whatsoever, effectively leaving her stranded in her bedroom alone all day long, only to visit her to bring her scraps of food.

[Rhyagelle]

Originally posted by Sekkuar666:

Originally posted by Rhyagelle:

I'm pretty sure she has a wheel chair.

Never seen in-game, not even in the ending where she's at Leene Square.

Do you think they just carry her everywhere, including several dozen miles to a festival? You're not shown it, sure, but you shouldn't need to be told the crippled woman's got a wheel chair or some other means of travel when her husband and daughter are world-class inventors.

Besides, if you save her, she ain't got no need for a wheel chair. She's even dancing if you do. Maybe everyone should just avoid not saving Lara. lol

[Sekkuar666]

Originally posted by Rhyagelle:

Do you think they just carry her everywhere, including several dozen miles to a festival?

Nothing seen in game suggests otherwise

You're not shown it, sure, but you shouldn't need to be told the crippled woman's got a wheel chair or some other means of travel when her husband and daughter are world-class inventors.

That's exactly my point. They SHOULD, but yet they didn't do anything for her.

Besides, if you save her, she ain't got no need for a wheel chair. She's even dancing if you do. Maybe everyone should just avoid not saving Lara. lol

That's completely besides the point.
If you finish the game without doing that side quest or failing to input the correct password, she'll still be at the festival but she'll be sitting motionless at the fountain instead.
No wheelchair or any walking aid of any kind in sight

[Rhyagelle]

Originally posted by Sekkuar666:

Originally posted by Rhyagelle:

Do you think they just carry her everywhere, including several dozen miles to a festival?

Nothing seen in game suggests otherwise

You're not shown it, sure, but you shouldn't need to be told the crippled woman's got a wheel chair or some other means of travel when her husband and daughter are world-class inventors.

That's exactly my point. They SHOULD, but yet they didn't do anything for her.

Besides, if you save her, she ain't got no need for a wheel chair. She's even dancing if you do. Maybe everyone should just avoid not saving Lara. lol

That's completely besides the point.
If you finish the game without doing that side quest or failing to input the correct password, she'll still be at the festival but she'll be sitting motionless at the fountain instead.
No wheelchair or any walking aid of any kind in sight

Nothing in the game suggests it wasn't, either. In fact, it's more likely that the super geniuses built her a wheel chair, especially when at the end she's dozens of miles away from home. They don't have cars and it's clear as day that her husband didn't carry her all that way, you just need to put two and two together.

And it's an old ass game, mostly using re-cycled assets redrawn from a prior game. They shouldn't have to tell you something so painfully obvious, but I guess you're one of the fans that will either think she's being carried to and fro every which way simply because a sprite game from 20+ years ago didn't put her in a wheel chair. lol

[TeamNinja]

No, but im sure they loaded her in the same cart that they put 2k pounds of machinery in and drove the horse to the festival.

[Rhyagelle]

Originally posted by TeamNinja:

No, but im sure they loaded her in the same cart that they put 2k pounds of machinery in and drove the horse to the festival.

And y'all still gonna maintain "no wheelchair" argument even now? After commenting that they moved a ♥♥♥♥ ton of machinery—which has temporal altering properties—via a cart which we NEVER see that they didn't build her a wheelchair...because you didn't see it?

[Hiroshi Mishima]

It's a 20+ year old game on the SNES, with limited resources and taking advantage of whatever tricks they can to tell a story. Neither Taban or Lara are unique sprites. That you don't see Lara's wheelchair should be the least of anyone's concern. The writing has some holes here and there, but this particular issue really shouldn't be the hill people are willing to die on.

[Rhyagelle]

Exactly, but apparently it's bugging people. lol

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by Hiroshi Mishima:

The writing has some holes here and there, but this particular issue really shouldn't be the hill people are willing to die on.

I’m actually curious as to what these plot holes are. The only one I’m aware of is how Marle disappearing doesn’t match the other rules of time travel in the rest of the game. The story is actually pretty well put together especially in terms of one about time travel.

[Rhyagelle]

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Originally posted by Hiroshi Mishima:

The writing has some holes here and there, but this particular issue really shouldn't be the hill people are willing to die on.

I’m actually curious as to what these plot holes are. The only one I’m aware of is how Marle disappearing doesn’t match the other rules of time travel in the rest of the game. The story is actually pretty well put together especially in terms of one about time travel.

Can you elaborate further on the Marle one?

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by Rhyagelle:

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

I’m actually curious as to what these plot holes are. The only one I’m aware of is how Marle disappearing doesn’t match the other rules of time travel in the rest of the game. The story is actually pretty well put together especially in terms of one about time travel.

Can you elaborate further on the Marle one?

So the part where Marle disappears is using a time travel trope known as the “Grandfather Paradox”. Where a time traveller goes back in time and accidentally causes the death of their grandfather, causing the time traveller to also disappear. This is a paradox because then the time traveller can’t be there to kill their grandfather. It is essentially any scenario where the actions of a time traveller in the past causes them to no longer exist in the future.

Chrono Trigger however outside of this one scenario does not use the grandfather paradox, and instead uses Time Traveller’s Immunity, where the actions of the time traveller change their future, but they also continue to exist. And furthermore, under the rules of grandfather paradox, Marle’s disappearance should also cause Crono and Lucca to disappear in 600 AD, as Marle being sent there was the only reason they went back in time.

[Rhyagelle]

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Originally posted by Rhyagelle:

Can you elaborate further on the Marle one?

So the part where Marle disappears is using a time travel trope known as the “Grandfather Paradox”. Where a time traveller goes back in time and accidentally causes the death of their grandfather, causing the time traveller to also disappear. This is a paradox because then the time traveller can’t be there to kill their grandfather. It is essentially any scenario where the actions of a time traveller in the past causes them to no longer exist in the future.

Chrono Trigger however outside of this one scenario does not use the grandfather paradox, and instead uses Time Traveller’s Immunity, where the actions of the time traveller change their future, but they also continue to exist. And furthermore, under the rules of grandfather paradox, Marle’s disappearance should also cause Crono and Lucca to disappear in 600 AD, as Marle being sent there was the only reason they went back in time.

Ah, that's what I thought it might be, but I wasn't sure. I heard people complain that if she went back in time in the first place, it would have stopped her birth. I was wondering which you were referring to, thanks!

[Pack 4 Potatoes]

Originally posted by Sekkuar666:

Originally posted by Stop Potato Hate:

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Yes I thought about this. I never said they are too dumb to do something, I said they are horrible people for not doing it.

I'm sure the person who can build robots and teleportation and time machines could figure out a device to help a disabled relative if they wanted to.

But I'm repeating myself.

And as I already pointed out, Lucca says she wants to build robot legs for her but CAN'T figure it out. Your head-canon doesn't override in-game lore.

[Sekkuar666]

Originally posted by Stop Potato Hate:

And as I already pointed out, Lucca says she wants to build robot legs for her but CAN'T figure it out. Your head-canon doesn't override in-game lore.

So which is it?

Does she have a wheelchair just because people would like to assume she does even though nothing points to that being a thing;
Or she doesn't have a wheelchair because the genius who can build teleport machines couldn't think of how to make them?

You can't have it both ways people. Choose one.

They are both terrible options.

[Daedalus007]

Originally posted by Sekkuar666:

Lucca and Taban are a pair of geniuses daughter and father, they can build amazing things such as a completely autonomous bipedal fighting and singing robot, plasma guns, and a teleport machine.

Yet they still haven't been able to build a freaking wheelchair for their mom/wife Lara who doesn't have legs.

To make matters worse, they leave Lara alone in a bedroom ON THE SECOND FLOOR of a house with no accessibility whatsoever, effectively leaving her stranded in her bedroom alone all day long, only to visit her to bring her scraps of food.

Hello everyone. Chrono Trigger (SNES) modder here. Just dropping in because this thread was too hilarious to ignore.

I never thought that more than 20 years later this kind of thing would be brought up and that anyone would take it seriously, but ok then.

There's two primary ways of thinking about this.

1 - Technical. The SNES had very limited graphics/sprites/animations and other technical limitations at the time that would've made it prohibitive to include any additional graphics or changes.

2 - Fun/Fancanon. Lara's chair does indeed have a 'wheelchair mode' by pressing a button AND it can go up and down stairs!

Marle: Lucca! You're amazing!
Lucca: Ain't it the truth! *cackles in glee*

I don't know about you but I prefer to acknowledge the first while believing in the second as well. As far as the ending, there's nothing saying the chair can't fold itself up and be hidden beneath where she is sitting (perhaps a more portable walker/wheelchair for traveling purposes).

For you to slander and defame Lucca and Taban, two of the most brilliant minds of that era (leaving out the Guru of course) is absolutely hilarious.

Chill out bud. Go make a time machine and go back in time 20+ years to yell about wheelchairs at the designers in Japanese. They'll laugh and throw you out a window in response. No cameras everywhere back then ;)

Next thing some pundit will go "Hey 'Taban' sound too close to 'Taliban' and the name is offensive and we should change it!" (this is a joke, don't do this, if you do you are really a dork).

[Pack 4 Potatoes]

Originally posted by Sekkuar666:

Originally posted by Stop Potato Hate:

And as I already pointed out, Lucca says she wants to build robot legs for her but CAN'T figure it out. Your head-canon doesn't override in-game lore.

So which is it?

Does she have a wheelchair just because people would like to assume she does even though nothing points to that being a thing;
Or she doesn't have a wheelchair because the genius who can build teleport machines couldn't think of how to make them?

You can't have it both ways people. Choose one.

They are both terrible options.

I'm not choosing either one. I agree they are terrible options, but you're the one who came up with them. Try better.