Chrono Cross was a better game than this

[Lars]

Better gameplay
Better environment
Better music because nature

People who like Chrono Trigger likes going forward.. almost like playing Kirby on NES. Nothing really happens.
Go forward and win. I dont get the appeal in that
https://youtu.be/ZRBUt5OWZcY

[prototype81]

Messaggio originale di Lars:

Better gameplay
Better environment
Better music because nature

People who like Chrono Trigger likes going forward.. almost like playing Kirby on NES. Nothing really happens.
Go forward and win. I dont get the appeal in that
https://youtu.be/ZRBUt5OWZcY

Coming into a chrono trigger forum to put down the community by saying it is inferior to the second. Right. Pitting games against eachother so that one somehow has to be better than the other is immature. Each have special points and each have flaws. Who cares which is better anyway? So weird man. Some people prefer the original some people prefer the sequel. Just because YOU prefer the sequel why do you need the rest of the world to know it, and not just know it but fight for it to be number 1? Its so odd.

- Stating nobody plays games for plots. Right. You're true intelligence and intent shows on that one.



I find it extremely weird how it has become a cultural thing on the internet to use your own dissatisfaction with life to propel it onto others and start "flame wars".

I seriously hope you reevaluate yourself and actions in the future. You will be happier for it. :)

Good luck!

BTW both are fantastic games.

[Lars]

Messaggio originale di prototype81:

Messaggio originale di Lars:

Better gameplay
Better environment
Better music because nature

People who like Chrono Trigger likes going forward.. almost like playing Kirby on NES. Nothing really happens.
Go forward and win. I dont get the appeal in that
https://youtu.be/ZRBUt5OWZcY

Coming into a chrono trigger forum to put down the community by saying it is inferior to the second. Right. Pitting games against eachother so that one somehow has to be better than the other is immature. Each have special points and each have flaws. Who cares which is better anyway? So weird man. Some people prefer the original some people prefer the sequel. Just because YOU prefer the sequel why do you need the rest of the world to know it, and not just know it but fight for it to be number 1? Its so odd.

- Stating nobody plays games for plots. Right. You're true intelligence and intent shows on that one.



I find it extremely weird how it has become a cultural thing on the internet to use your own dissatisfaction with life to propel it onto others and start "flame wars".

I seriously hope you reevaluate yourself and actions in the future. You will be happier for it. :)

Good luck!

BTW both are fantastic games.

You got a point but...FF7 got put down during 2009-2012 by FF6 fanboys... I feel i am obligated to give a taste of the good side.

[Dead Pixel]

I thought Chrono Cross was disappointing when it came out. Chrono Trigger is way better, in my opinion.

[GDMilkman]

I love both games. However Trigger is a stronger overall entry. But it would be great to see Cross remastered and brought forward.

[phaoray]

Eh, I tried Chrono Cross, but could never get into it. None of the original characters are playable, so it's not much of a sequel to me. Was disappointed to not play them again. The combat can be slow, though pretty, and my god there is so many characters with so little plot or reason behind them, I don't even think most of them are critical to the story in anyway so it just seems silly to have them there. I mean, one or two random ones would be fine, but I think that game had 20+ characters or something. Been awhile.

I do enjoy Chrono Cross's music, but I don't have to play the game to listen to that. I suppose I should give it a go again at some point, but at least to me it was a disappointing 'sequel'.

[Serafie1999AD]

Messaggio originale di (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Also why even have the Fall of Guardia cutscene in Chrono Trigger?

This is why I'm glad the Fall of Guardia FMV was removed from the Steam version: it's meant to tie Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross, but ultimately doesn't really fit either of the two games.

Messaggio originale di phaoray:

Eh, I tried Chrono Cross, but could never get into it. None of the original characters are playable, so it's not much of a sequel to me. Was disappointed to not play them again. The combat can be slow, though pretty, and my god there is so many characters with so little plot or reason behind them, I don't even think most of them are critical to the story in anyway so it just seems silly to have them there. I mean, one or two random ones would be fine, but I think that game had 20+ characters or something. Been awhile.

I do enjoy Chrono Cross's music, but I don't have to play the game to listen to that. I suppose I should give it a go again at some point, but at least to me it was a disappointing 'sequel'.

Chrono Cross is basically a great stand-alone game, but a terrible sequel. It's extremely cheap to kill off half of the original cast off-screen too. The game's events are supposed to be set 20 years after Chrono Trigger, but the worlds are so different that it's like thousands of years have passed. The story makes more sense if you consider Chrono Cross a stand-alone game set in its own world, and the Chrono Trigger characters are just Easter Eggs. As for the characters, there's 40+ playable characters, and you'll need multiple playthroughs to recruit them all: https://chrono.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Chrono_Cross_characters

[phaoray]

Messaggio originale di Serafie1999AD:

Chrono Cross is basically a great stand-alone game, but a terrible sequel. It's extremely cheap to kill off half of the original cast off-screen too. The game's events are supposed to be set 20 years after Chrono Trigger, but the worlds are so different that it's like thousands of years have passed. The story makes more sense if you consider Chrono Cross a stand-alone game set in its own world, and the Chrono Trigger characters are just Easter Eggs. As for the characters, there's 40+ playable characters, and you'll need multiple playthroughs to recruit them all: https://chrono.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Chrono_Cross_characters

Yeah, I can definitely go with that. It would have been alot better of a game for me if it hadn't been sold as a sequel, since I wouldn't have had expectations.

Also what little they 'did' with the main characters of the original...yeah, would have preferred no tie in at all, but that is just my thoughts on it.

40+ characters and multiple playthroughs? Nuuuuuu thank you. ^-^;; I do want to give it a shot again one day, still got the game, but I'll likely try to stick to the story essential characters, if there is any past the main character anyhoo. n.n

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Messaggio originale di Serafie1999AD:

Messaggio originale di (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Also why even have the Fall of Guardia cutscene in Chrono Trigger?

This is why I'm glad the Fall of Guardia FMV was removed from the Steam version: it's meant to tie Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross, but ultimately doesn't really fit either of the two games.

Messaggio originale di phaoray:

Eh, I tried Chrono Cross, but could never get into it. None of the original characters are playable, so it's not much of a sequel to me. Was disappointed to not play them again. The combat can be slow, though pretty, and my god there is so many characters with so little plot or reason behind them, I don't even think most of them are critical to the story in anyway so it just seems silly to have them there. I mean, one or two random ones would be fine, but I think that game had 20+ characters or something. Been awhile.

I do enjoy Chrono Cross's music, but I don't have to play the game to listen to that. I suppose I should give it a go again at some point, but at least to me it was a disappointing 'sequel'.

Chrono Cross is basically a great stand-alone game, but a terrible sequel. It's extremely cheap to kill off half of the original cast off-screen too. The game's events are supposed to be set 20 years after Chrono Trigger, but the worlds are so different that it's like thousands of years have passed. The story makes more sense if you consider Chrono Cross a stand-alone game set in its own world, and the Chrono Trigger characters are just Easter Eggs. As for the characters, there's 40+ playable characters, and you'll need multiple playthroughs to recruit them all: https://chrono.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Chrono_Cross_characters

Chrono Cross doesn’t take place in the same timeline as Chrono Trigger, at least the game version of Chrono Trigger

When the Time Crash caused Chronopolis and Dinopolis to be sent back in time, this created a new timeline. El Nido now exists, there are 6 elements instead of 4, everyone can still use magic in El Nido, Schala has blonde hair for some reason. Cross takes place after a Chrono Trigger, but not the Chrono Trigger we played through. So technically the Chrono Trigger cast we play as didn’t get killed off.

The Time Crash that changes Chrono Trigger’s outcome is also caused by the Frozen Flame aka Lavos. It then chooses Serge to be its chrono trigger to undo what Crono and his friends did. So Chrono Cross is Lavos creating a new timeline just to get revenge. But Belthasar is somehow aware that this will happen and works with Lucca and Kid to undo it while also saving Schala.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Now thinking about it, The Fall of Guardia scene was probably removed intentionally as the part of the Masamune being stolen doesn’t quite fit into Cross.

I think it was supposed to imply that Lynx is the one that steals it and brings it to El Nido, but that can’t happen since Lynx doesn’t exist until 1010 AD, while the Fall of Guardia is noted to happen 5 years prior, and is even before Serge is attacked by the panther.

And it can’t be Dalton or anyone in the Porre army either, because then how did the sword get to El Nido before Porre?

[SHARK1501]

I love Chrono Trigger but it would be great if Chrono Cross was released as well. Chrono Cross was enjoyable and there were so many additional characters you could recruit which gave the game a lot of battle variety and dialogue. One weakness in that however was that character building wasn't as strong as Chrono Trigger.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Any way, I finished Chrono Cross, NG at least.

[Rad]

What does cross have going for it? I've heard your issues regarding trigger (People who like Chrono Trigger likes going forward.. almost like playing Kirby on NES. Nothing really happens.
Go forward and win. I dont get the appeal in that), and those seem pretty weak. So the game is too easy? I can understand that, it was made in a different era, before you were able to look up guides and tips. Doesn't make it a bad game. Super Mario Bros was an easy game, and yet people still enjoy it. Cross had issues that crop up as you play, including TOO MANY NON-IMPORTANT CHARACTERS, something like 40-50 I think? If I recall, only a handful of characters had meaningful arcs (serge/kid/and one other but I can't recall their name). Also, it has been brought up quite a bit that it's a sequel to Trigger, and while that is certainly true, it takes a dump on the fanbase from the first game. Marle, Crono, and Lucca all died? Thanks, way to pay homage to your predecessor. And to address your final point, (Go forward and win. I don't get the appeal to that), the list of games that are GO LEFT AND WIN is large, but I feel you're misinterpreting linear for easy/simple. The game is telling you a story, and yes, while experiencing this story you will be railroaded from point to point. You can stop and explore at any point, but your next mission or quest WILL be the next story quest for the most part. Again, that's a design choice, not a foible. Remember, if games are too hard, no one plays them. It is far, far, FAR easier to make a game too hard back in the day, prior to ease of access to the internet, prior to the gaming community we know and love today. Part of looking back at older games as we all move forward and experience better games with higher budgets, made by programmers that we hope have had more experience in guiding the players intelligently, making games that are harder but fair still. I feel you are judging an elderly game in a manner that is not fair, your points are often just you stating how you feel about the game (which is fine, I'm not gonna dump on you for that), but that leaves us, your fellow gamers, unable to make pointed observations or rebut your statements almost at all without attacking you. Reasons Trigger was great is all I feel I can add to this, but in case you missed those while playing, Trigger had:

-Multiple Endings
-New Game+
-Well Designed and In-Depth Characters
-No loading screen to combat, combat happened on the main map
-Innovative battle design, where the enemy/ally positions matter when casting abilities
-"tech" abilities that changed depending on who is in your party and what abilities everyone has
-Great music
-compelling story
-different sounds/visuals based on which weapon your characters equipped
-damn good graphics for it's age, and still good today (16bit graphics, mind you)
-Clear, easy to read UI
-battles happened quickly (this is in direct contrast to cross which used the standard FF battle transition

And had much more. This game is fantastic, and rightfully thought by many to be the best RPG game released for the SNES. Personally, it's a tossup between FF3/FF6 (depending on region) and Trigger as to the best SNES rpg, but either way this game is classic, and has a lot more going for it than just "Go forward and win."

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Yeah Cross’s story is messy to say the least.

Basically it revolves around Belthasar setting up Serge to do a fight that has a 50/50 chance of saving Schala or dooming all of space and time.

To make things worse, Belthasar has no idea how to actually use the Chrono Cross to save Schala, or if he does, he never explains it to you.

[Urutu]

trying to find too many relations is useless... I understand what u're saying Asriel, but it's just useless, like the thing with the elements and El nido. If you remember correctly, there's a waterfall in El nido that you can't go up no matter what, Porre is beyond that. Also, Lynx existed before Serge died, because Lynx is the panther that Serge dreams about in one of the FMV...
see? I'm not saying that I'm correct, but I'm trying to show that there will always be something to argue about and no truth can be found. It's like trying to find a relation between all Cids in Final Fantasy. But you seen to get it well about Lavos and his revenge...

I played CC back in 2004, and CT only this year. It was awesome, and it is awesome, both of them, still playing and finding meanings. And I don't agree with the guy that created this thread, about never playing for the plot. It's a RPG, the plot is... crucial. And even few and simple lines from the characters, like Leena talking about never dweling in the past... I guess I should read this every single day in my life, and at least, when I play there's this kind of insights with CC and CT, because you can see the developers were really putting their lifes into this. This game is pure art. I don't even want to talk about the music... the best, both.

sorry about my english, writing without translator and with a lot of emotion.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Messaggio originale di oldkind:

trying to find too many relations is useless... I understand what u're saying Asriel, but it's just useless, like the thing with the elements and El nido. If you remember correctly, there's a waterfall in El nido that you can't go up no matter what, Porre is beyond that. Also, Lynx existed before Serge died, because Lynx is the panther that Serge dreams about in one of the FMV...
see? I'm not saying that I'm correct, but I'm trying to show that there will always be something to argue about and no truth can be found. It's like trying to find a relation between all Cids in Final Fantasy. But you seen to get it well about Lavos and his revenge...

I played CC back in 2004, and CT only this year. It was awesome, and it is awesome, both of them, still playing and finding meanings. And I don't agree with the guy that created this thread, about never playing for the plot. It's a RPG, the plot is... crucial. And even few and simple lines from the characters, like Leena talking about never dweling in the past... I guess I should read this every single day in my life, and at least, when I play there's this kind of insights with CC and CT, because you can see the developers were really putting their lifes into this. This game is pure art. I don't even want to talk about the music... the best, both.

sorry about my english, writing without translator and with a lot of emotion.

Lynx isn’t the panther demon.
Lynx is Serge’s father after his body and mind were corrupted by FATE. She turned him into a cat man because Serge had an instilled fear of big cats due to the panther attack. However, the panther is a completely different entity, perhaps brought upon by the planet itself in order to set the story in motion, but it is never fully explained.