Thickness of walls?

[SassyJo]

How thick are the walls we place when building out the walls and lintels?

The standard in the U.S. is ~4.5 inches (11.43 cm). The walls in the game seem much thicker, especially since they are square rather than rectangular like a typical wall would be. This makes it difficult to create some smaller rooms because the walls take up so much space there isn't much left for the interior (e.g. bathrooms).

It would be great to have a choice of thickness for the walls and lintels!

[jannetin82]

The single wall piece "square" is 25x25cm (9.8x9.8 inches) So yes the walls are quite thick.

[SassyJo]

Originally posted by jannetin82:

The single wall piece "square" is 25x25cm (9.8x9.8 inches) So yes the walls are quite thick.

That's what I thought. I would so love to have the option of less-thick walls -- it would help so much! Hope the devs see this and take it into consideration.

[Dutchgamer1982]

normal dutch wall thickness for OUTER walls.. is aboout 50cm.
the law states that :
all outer walls must have 3 layers..
-an outer layer of 10cm minimum
-an inner cavity layer called of 8cm minimum (it may be filled with isolation material.. but at least 2cm thickness must remain free air.. to prevent rain hitting the outer layer seeping -trough..
-an inner layer of 19cm minimum.
= a minimum of 37cm
***most construction projects find it much easier to have inner and outer layer being the same thickness.. so they make both layers 19cm, and they like to have a bit more room in the inner cavity.. as a thicker isolation layer in it improves the energy efficiency of the house.. (and all new houses must be build energy neural)

-so compared to that the outer walls in this game of 25cm are RIDICULOUSLY thin.

for inner walls if it is a load carrying wall.. by law it must be at least 10cm thick.. but 14cm is the most standard used format.. with newer houses 19cm (same as inner layer of outer wall) is also common..
-if it is a NO load carrying wall.. than 8cm is more normal.

for inner walls the 25cm is WAY to thick... halve that would be fine.

[jannetin82]

Originally posted by Dutchgamer1982:

normal dutch wall thickness for OUTER walls.. is aboout 50cm.
the law states that :
all outer walls must have 3 layers..
-an outer layer of 10cm minimum
-an inner cavity layer called of 8cm minimum (it may be filled with isolation material.. but at least 2cm thickness must remain free air.. to prevent rain hitting the outer layer seeping -trough..
-an inner layer of 19cm minimum.
= a minimum of 37cm
***most construction projects find it much easier to have inner and outer layer being the same thickness.. so they make both layers 19cm, and they like to have a bit more room in the inner cavity.. as a thicker isolation layer in it improves the energy efficiency of the house.. (and all new houses must be build energy neural)

-so compared to that the outer walls in this game of 25cm are RIDICULOUSLY thin.

for inner walls if it is a load carrying wall.. by law it must be at least 10cm thick.. but 14cm is the most standard used format.. with newer houses 19cm (same as inner layer of outer wall) is also common..
-if it is a NO load carrying wall.. than 8cm is more normal.

for inner walls the 25cm is WAY to thick... halve that would be fine.

Outer walls are double wide, so 25+25=50 which is around the ballpark you suggest.

[SassyJo]

Originally posted by Dutchgamer1982:

normal dutch wall thickness for OUTER walls.. is aboout 50cm.
the law states that :
all outer walls must have 3 layers..
-an outer layer of 10cm minimum
-an inner cavity layer called of 8cm minimum (it may be filled with isolation material.. but at least 2cm thickness must remain free air.. to prevent rain hitting the outer layer seeping -trough..
-an inner layer of 19cm minimum.
= a minimum of 37cm
[...,]

for inner walls if it is a load carrying wall.. by law it must be at least 10cm thick.. but 14cm is the most standard used format.. with newer houses 19cm (same as inner layer of outer wall) is also common..
-if it is a NO load carrying wall.. than 8cm is more normal.

for inner walls the 25cm is WAY to thick... halve that would be fine.

U.S. standards are not Dutch standards.

According to the IRC Chapter 6:
A nonbearing interior wall thickness is generally about 4 inches with wall coverings.
Load-bearing interior walls are built from 2×4 or 2×6 only. Most homes have 2×4 wall studs (nominal size of 1-1/2 x 3-1/2 inches). For 2×6 lumber, the nominal size is 5-1/2 inches wide plus wall coverings.

So the interior walls in the game are WAY too thick, according to these standards.

My point was, let us have CHOICES as to wall thickness.

[akuarmoton]

I don't see what difference that makes how thick walls are. It's still wall no matter the thickness =D

[Comrade Sky]

Originally posted by Katie-K:

Originally posted by Dutchgamer1982:

normal dutch wall thickness for OUTER walls.. is aboout 50cm.
the law states that :
all outer walls must have 3 layers..
-an outer layer of 10cm minimum
-an inner cavity layer called of 8cm minimum (it may be filled with isolation material.. but at least 2cm thickness must remain free air.. to prevent rain hitting the outer layer seeping -trough..
-an inner layer of 19cm minimum.
= a minimum of 37cm
[...,]

for inner walls if it is a load carrying wall.. by law it must be at least 10cm thick.. but 14cm is the most standard used format.. with newer houses 19cm (same as inner layer of outer wall) is also common..
-if it is a NO load carrying wall.. than 8cm is more normal.

for inner walls the 25cm is WAY to thick... halve that would be fine.

U.S. standards are not Dutch standards.

According to the IRC Chapter 6:
A nonbearing interior wall thickness is generally about 4 inches with wall coverings.
Load-bearing interior walls are built from 2×4 or 2×6 only. Most homes have 2×4 wall studs (nominal size of 1-1/2 x 3-1/2 inches). For 2×6 lumber, the nominal size is 5-1/2 inches wide plus wall coverings.

So the interior walls in the game are WAY too thick, according to these standards.

My point was, let us have CHOICES as to wall thickness.

Yeah that is a common problem, but this is sort of like Minecraft where the smallest tile is just too large for walls. They'd have to split it down to 1/8 m instead of 1/4 m.

[SassyJo]

Originally posted by akuarmoton:

I don't see what difference that makes how thick walls are. It's still wall no matter the thickness =D

Maybe you didn't read my original post?

[Dutchgamer1982]

Originally posted by Katie-K:

U.S. standards are not Dutch standards.

According to the IRC Chapter 6:
A nonbearing interior wall thickness is generally about 4 inches with wall coverings.
Load-bearing interior walls are built from 2×4 or 2×6 only. Most homes have 2×4 wall studs (nominal size of 1-1/2 x 3-1/2 inches). For 2×6 lumber, the nominal size is 5-1/2 inches wide plus wall coverings.

So the interior walls in the game are WAY too thick, according to these standards.

My point was, let us have CHOICES as to wall thickness.

I agree chooices be nice.

btw :
houses are made of concrete and brick, here... not load bearimg walls could also be gypsium blocks. unlike usa houses that often are wood framing.
housee here are build to last a lot longer.

-in the game we only see brick walls.. with concrete only as a facade...
**to pick not only the thickness but the material like concrete, brick or wood frame walls would also add variety.

-nowhere see I stated what nations the houses we renovate in this game are in.

Originally posted by Comrade Sky:

Yeah that is a common problem, but this is sort of like Minecraft where the smallest tile is just too large for walls. They'd have to split it down to 1/8 m instead of 1/4 m.

that pretty much would solve it.
12.5 cm is much closer to the 8-19cm of dutch inner walls and 10-15cm of usa inner walls.

it would however mess up our positioning of items that now happens in steps of 5cm.

so picking inner wall thickness of 10 or 15 may be more realisticly doable. 10 seems than the beter pick gameplay wise.

meanwhile the outer walls should be made 50cm.. thicker than they are now ingame..

(could be nice extra job..
**having some houses only have a 25cm outer wall.
-being allowed to add 10cm thick isolation panals (new part) on the inside of the 25cm thick outer walls..
than leave a gap of 5cm and build an "second wall" of 10cm..
**isolating the house..
(could be done alongside floor heating panels, solar panels rain catchers/windmills for in the garden and such)
-
making it an go green/offgrid dlc where thinner inner walls could be a part of.

[SassyJo]

Originally posted by Dutchgamer1982:

-nowhere see I stated what nations the houses we renovate in this game are in.

Originally posted by Comrade Sky:

Me neither, but the locations are very "American," especially the "celebrity-esque" houses in the Luxury DLC (e.g. Jessica's Fabulous Mansion), and others like the obvious Chicago Mafia-type places like Closed Laundry, Family House, etc. Also the very American accents of many of the home owners wanting the work done, supposedly New York accents, the references to Pretty Woman, etc. Despite the devs are Polish.

It's funny, because the houses and locations are all very American-esque, but so many elements like the radiators in almost all the rooms, type of A/C units, the wall-mounted toilets, etc. are not the norm in the U.S.

[Dutchgamer1982]

Originally posted by Katie-K:

Me neither, but the locations are very "American," especially the "celebrity-esque" houses in the Luxury DLC (e.g. Jessica's Fabulous Mansion), and others like the obvious Chicago Mafia-type places like Closed Laundry, Family House, etc. Also the very American accents of many of the home owners wanting the work done, supposedly New York accents, the references to Pretty Woman, etc. Despite the devs are Polish.

It's funny, because the houses and locations are all very American-esque, but so many elements like the radiators in almost all the rooms, type of A/C units, the wall-mounted toilets, etc. are not the norm in the U.S.

I would not even know what nation the power plugs are like?? they seem to be non excistant ones...

**in my nation we use type F (grounded) or C (non grounded) so those flat slids looked weird and very american.. but american contants have their ground pin below not up top.
-
americans use type A (grounded) or B (non grounded)..

when I google for poland.. they use some weird ♥♥♥♥ : type E...
-its like made some wird type A/Type E hybrid for the game.

**HAVING A/C it itself makes it less european (most european houses dont have AC at all)

I agree the toilets in the game are much to nice to be american.. (not because some are floating, usa has floating toilets plenty).. but because of no weird flat water filled fishbowl thing;))

[SassyJo]

Originally posted by Dutchgamer1982:

Originally posted by Katie-K:

**HAVING A/C it itself makes it less european (most european houses dont have AC at all)

That's what I've heard as well. The A/C units are like those used in Thailand (I know this because my sister lives there and she has one like those used in the game. The individual units -- as opposed to central A/C -- that are used here in the US tend to be window units, at least in every place I've ever lived which spans several states.)