Paint consumption: single line vs "X walls at a time"

[Raidlock]

I've always had a feeling that painting several "walls" (or vertical lines) at a time consumes more paint...decided to finally test it out. I'm currently only missing the last "instant painting" upgrade (75% one) and tried painting the walls one line at a time and then by painting several at once. I was able to get 15,5 lines until my roller would need refilling with the single line method vs only 8,5 lines when painting several at a time. Is this a bug or intentional? If it's intentional, then I don't really understand how painting over a larger area would consume more paint than covering that area more slowly...


EDIT: Video with an example: https://drive.google.com/open?id=183tr0JLX3f0RXURE8Za7N3-zuBz0gkD-

[MrKiko(BR)]

your measure may be messed up. why? well, when it is used in multiple lines it split the consumition so u may not be able to finish a line cuz the "extra" paint is on others lines, your consumition may be the same, you only wont be using all in one line(of course), but it is used and will be finished faster in the next "painting round"

[Raidlock]

If I understand your comment correctly, then you assume that I just swing my mouse from left to right covering a large area and leaving almost invisible layers of paint on all the walls without any real progress. If that's what you meant, then no. What I'm doing is holding down my left mouse button and moving it right to select 4 lines (max "paint more" upgrade), then I stop and wait until the first line is done painting, then I move it futher by one line etc. Therefore the max amount of unfinished lines can be like 1 or 2 (in my case at least). When I did this test, only one line at the end was unfinished, hence the 8,5.

I could probably try to paint the whole room 1 line at a time vs "paint more" and the result would be half a bucket vs 1,3 buckets or something...might actually try that tomorrow.

[MrKiko(BR)]

Originally posted by Raidlock:

If I understand your comment correctly, then you assume that I just swing my mouse from left to right covering a large area and leaving almost invisible layers of paint on all the walls without any real progress. If that's what you meant, then no. What I'm doing is holding down my left mouse button and moving it right to select 4 lines (max "paint more" upgrade), then I stop and wait until the first line is done painting, then I move it futher by one line etc. Therefore the max amount of unfinished lines can be like 1 or 2 (in my case at least). When I did this test, only one line at the end was unfinished, hence the 8,5.

I could probably try to paint the whole room 1 line at a time vs "paint more" and the result would be half a bucket vs 1,3 buckets or something...might actually try that tomorrow.

still i was saying, even if are doing this organized way, the painting still split up. not change much, that other way you said may give you a more precise way, especially with recent update. where the sell price of the bucket is relative to amount not used. so paint the hole room and sell the bucket and see which method will give more money, which means used less paint. dont forget to count the full buckets used and had to be replaced. i guess i gonna do this test to have more pool of subjects

[MrKiko(BR)]

TEST REPORT

Preperation
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for this test I created a new save just for tests so I can use cheats w/o messing up my main save game.

the save was used only for test purpose and after that was screped

i used cheat and played until unlock the sell tool.

both methods the upgrade "not waste paint on painted wall" was brought, so avoid the loss of paint. beside that all other painting upgrade was left locked.

the map chosen for the test was the one used in the order: "House for us and the child"(baby on the way)


the test
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in all cases:

• the brush was loaded at your maximum and used at your maximum
  
• was used diferent color for methods and empty bucket was left for counting porpuse
  
• to make it simple, only inside wall was painted, not the ones in the window
  
• if any paint is left in the brush it is used in other room. using single line method.

methods

method 1 - single line: self explanatory.

method 2 - x walls at times: for the possible difference be seen better, will be used the maximum upgrade(4 walls)

case of draw
first will be counted amount of empty bucket, if it is equal it will be the 1st draw

in the 1st draw, the sell tool will be pointed to the not empty bucket, the one with more value will win, if all buckets is empty so a new bucket was not needed, so it is counted as full value. if it is equal so it is the 2nd draw

in 2nd draw, the extra completed wall will be counted, which contains more wall, wins. if it is equals it will be 3th draw

in 3th draw will be considered the unfinished extra wall, the darkerwill win. if it is iqual so it will be a oficial draw, which meas that the paint consumition is the same.

results
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method	result
single line	1 empty bucket, $8,41 bucket, 4 extra wall
X walls at a time	1 empty bucket, $8,98 bucket, 2 extra wall

conclusion
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X wallls at a time seams to cosume less then single line

more tests may confirm this, but for me it is enougth

[Raidlock]

That's a pretty impressive report. I don't think I have it in me to generate something similar at the moment. But just as a comparison...try these two things:
1) fill a paint roller with paint and every time you paint one line, let go of the mouse button and move to the next line,
2) hold the mouse button down and move to the next line once the first is done without letting go (but do only one line at a time).

Separate clicks gave me 17 full lines (roller ran out of paint on number 18) and holding the button down gave me 5 (ran out on number 6). I tried the holding one twice, same result both times.

I might be dumb and don't really understand how this works, I'm not denying this...but it just doesn't make any sense to me, unless this is just a bug only on my end and not yours.

[MrKiko(BR)]

Originally posted by Raidlock:

That's a pretty impressive report. I don't think I have it in me to generate something similar at the moment. But just as a comparison...try these two things:
1) fill a paint roller with paint and every time you paint one line, let go of the mouse button and move to the next line,
2) hold the mouse button down and move to the next line once the first is done without letting go (but do only one line at a time).

Separate clicks gave me 17 full lines (roller ran out of paint on number 18) and holding the button down gave me 5 (ran out on number 6). I tried the holding one twice, same result both times.

I might be dumb and don't really understand how this works, I'm not denying this...but it just doesn't make any sense to me, unless this is just a bug only on my end and not yours.

as you are saying, it seam to be a bug. i may test it. but first i need to see if i can understand the procedure.

edit: i did read again and it seam to be the single line method but made in diferents ways. is that right?

[MrKiko(BR)]

TEST REPORT

Preperation
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for this test I created a new save just for tests so I can use cheats w/o messing up my main save game.

the save was used only for test purpose and after that was screped

any unlocked achivement during this test was re-locked

i used cheat and played until unlock the sell tool, hammer and brought the connoisseur's house.

both methods the upgrade "not waste paint on painted wall" was brought, so avoid the loss of paint. beside that all other painting upgrade was left locked.

the map chosen for the test was the connoisseur's house

all inner wall was demolished, house was cleaned and all forniture was sold for more space to work

also, for better work space, a wall was builded along the house

the test
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in all cases:

• the brush was loaded at your maximum and used at your maximum
  
• to make it simple, only full wall was painted, not the half/quarter ones like used in the windows or doors.
  
• the same teste gonna be made twice, with and w/o the "X walls at a time".
  
• all walls was painted one by one. even when the "X walls at a time" is unlocked

methods

method 1 - single click: gonna start to paint, as soon it is finished the click is released, mouse is moved to the next and then rise and repeat.

method 2 - holding: gonna start painting and the mouse button wont be released until the brush is dry

case of draw
the amount of complete wall gonna be counted, the one that have the most wins, if it is equals it gonna be a draw.

in case of draw, gonna be considered the unfinished wall, the darker one gonna win, if they seem the same it gona be a oficial draw. which meas that the consumition is the same

results
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method	result w/o upgrates	result with upgrates
single click	5 complete walls + 1 dark	5 complete walls + 1 dark
holding	5 complete walls + 1 dark	5 complete walls + 1 dark

conclusion
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there's no diference in the consumition in each method, no matter if the upgrades is active or not. also this show that my previous test may be wrong.

more tests may confirm this, but for me it is enougth

[Raidlock]

Based on your single wall results, it seems that mine is misbehaving. I made a quick recording, cause it was the easiest way to show and explain. First method is the click-release one and I got 16,5 walls and the second one is holding the button, but painting 1 wall at a time...got 5,5.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=183tr0JLX3f0RXURE8Za7N3-zuBz0gkD-

[Wimwyn]

I have not read everything but bear in mind that TO MY EXPERIENCE:

1 paint tin does 15 meters squared room, affected by the amount of windows and wether or not you paint around the window, as there is 4 full wall sized strips of paint per window to the left and the right that you only "see" half a wall worth of.

Above a window the small wall sections are painted above the ceiling into the roof and therefore wasting more paint.

Also depending which upgrades you have, the first "use less paint" upgrade 20% Applies to unpainted walls.

An additional 20% (40% total) is applied ONLY to ALREADY painted walls, for instance, you bought the house with the pink paint all over it, or you decided you wanted a different colour.


So for accurate testing of multiple strips of wall vs 1 wall at a time you need to do only on unpainted walls or only on painted walls, you can't paint an unpainted wall and then change the colour and compare it to an already painted wall.

[Raidlock]

Originally posted by Pojop:

I have not read everything but bear in mind that TO MY EXPERIENCE:

1 paint tin does 15 meters squared room, affected by the amount of windows and wether or not you paint around the window, as there is 4 full wall sized strips of paint per window to the left and the right that you only "see" half a wall worth of.

Above a window the small wall sections are painted above the ceiling into the roof and therefore wasting more paint.

Also depending which upgrades you have, the first "use less paint" upgrade 20% Applies to unpainted walls.

An additional 20% (40% total) is applied ONLY to ALREADY painted walls, for instance, you bought the house with the pink paint all over it, or you decided you wanted a different colour.


So for accurate testing of multiple strips of wall vs 1 wall at a time you need to do only on unpainted walls or only on painted walls, you can't paint an unpainted wall and then change the colour and compare it to an already painted wall.

Yup, that all sounds logical. Check the video in the post before yours (or in the first one, edited it to include the link as well). I did my test in an unpainted room :)

[MrKiko(BR)]

Originally posted by Pojop:

I have not read everything but bear in mind that TO MY EXPERIENCE:

1 paint tin does 15 meters squared room, affected by the amount of windows and wether or not you paint around the window, as there is 4 full wall sized strips of paint per window to the left and the right that you only "see" half a wall worth of.

Above a window the small wall sections are painted above the ceiling into the roof and therefore wasting more paint.

Also depending which upgrades you have, the first "use less paint" upgrade 20% Applies to unpainted walls.

An additional 20% (40% total) is applied ONLY to ALREADY painted walls, for instance, you bought the house with the pink paint all over it, or you decided you wanted a different colour.


So for accurate testing of multiple strips of wall vs 1 wall at a time you need to do only on unpainted walls or only on painted walls, you can't paint an unpainted wall and then change the colour and compare it to an already painted wall.

yep, good point. unfortunately i'm not in my home, so i can't re-do the tests right now, but i gonna do it in asap

[MrKiko(BR)]

Originally posted by Raidlock:

Based on your single wall results, it seems that mine is misbehaving. I made a quick recording, cause it was the easiest way to show and explain. First method is the click-release one and I got 16,5 walls and the second one is holding the button, but painting 1 wall at a time...got 5,5.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=183tr0JLX3f0RXURE8Za7N3-zuBz0gkD-

i saw that you are full upgraded painting skill, some other skill may be messing up.

edit: one thing that i noted was when using single line method only the working wall is marked, while when using the holding method all four is marked, even if it is already painted. this may be doing a diference

[Wimwyn]

Originally posted by Raidlock:

Based on your single wall results, it seems that mine is misbehaving. I made a quick recording, cause it was the easiest way to show and explain. First method is the click-release one and I got 16,5 walls and the second one is holding the button, but painting 1 wall at a time...got 5,5.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=183tr0JLX3f0RXURE8Za7N3-zuBz0gkD-

Very odd indeed, you still did 1 strip at a time, and you still had an unpainted wall. I have no explanation to this, but maybe try to explain it on the official forum and see if its a known bug or not.

I can honestly say holding my mouse or releasing the button after each strip makes no difference to me at all.

[Shamanu]

As of my own experience it seem like the game does NOT take in attention perk "economy painting" when you does a multiple lines. This mean with a multiple lines you works on 100% paint consumption, when on a single line you works with only 40% (not sure of how big the saving benefit is).

[RBJets]

I have painted the room 3 times and it still tells me i'm only at 95% complete on the painting, everything else is in place and done. Help?