The ultimate guide for realm grinder

[ILoveKetchup402]

I already stated all of this in my review on the store page, but I figured that it might be useful to post it here as well. The undead faction is by far the best. Boosting offline production by tens of thousands of percentage points and giving thousands of free assistants, depending on the amount of time you have spent offline, due to the fact that the upgrades get more powerful the longer you have been offline. I have tested the other factions, and while the other bonuses sound nice, such as boosting production of specific buildings. I will admit, at first the undead faction starts out slow, but once you reach a certain amount of reincarnations and abdications all you have to is close the game for about 60 seconds (because at this point your production will have a massive boost when you are offline) and then re-open the game, and immediately be able to reset with a nice bonus. Just repeat this process over and over again, and eventually you will get many many coins, without even having to use any of the microtransactions that provide additional bonuses.

[RogueFireWolf]

The microtransactions are never required in this game. Ever. DG designed the game around not having them, not around having them.

And... no. Just no. Undead being the best is absolutely horrible advice. It's far too slow production-wise to be viable on its own anywhere and by the time you could theoretically reach the point where Undead is better, you would have gotten further using other Factions.

[ILoveKetchup402]

Publicado originalmente por RogueFireWolf:

The microtransactions are never required in this game. Ever. DG designed the game around not having them, not around having them.

And... no. Just no. Undead being the best is absolutely horrible advice. It's far too slow production-wise to be viable on its own anywhere and by the time you could theoretically reach the point where Undead is better, you would have gotten further using other Factions.

Trust me, I've tried every other faction. Undead is by far the best, especially for those who don't have the time to play this game 24/7

[Pikaton]

I don't believe that to be true, I'm fairly positive undead is like the singular class that is never the best at any point in the game, and even if it were, it couldn't be because of offline production. There once was a time when offline production was easily the best route through some parts of the game. They put out a hotfix patch to stop that asap. I doubt their stance on offline has changed since

[ILoveKetchup402]

Publicado originalmente por Pikaton:

I don't believe that to be true, I'm fairly positive undead is like the singular class that is never the best at any point in the game, and even if it were, it couldn't be because of offline production. There once was a time when offline production was easily the best route through some parts of the game. They put out a hotfix patch to stop that asap. I doubt their stance on offline has changed since

Try it for yourself. doesn't take that long for the offline production percentage to go up

[RogueFireWolf]

That offline production is vastly outclassed by active/idle playing in other Factions. This is fact and something we beta testers have been bugging DG about for YEARS. Even if you can only play for a few minutes a day, there are Factions superior to Undead (with which one's best dependent on where in the game you are).

[Malvastor]

Not sure how long you've played this game off Steam, but once you play for a bit you realize Undead is honestly pretty weak. Other factions you don't have to close/wait/open to see huge rewards.

[ILoveKetchup402]

Publicado originalmente por Malvastor:

Not sure how long you've played this game off Steam, but once you play for a bit you realize Undead is honestly pretty weak. Other factions you don't have to close/wait/open to see huge rewards.

In my opinion, as someone who doesn't have all day to click on a screen, undead is good for me, there are obviously better options for people with different playstyles, but my strategy is specifically for people who want to do well without having the game open 24/7.

[Malvastor]

Publicado originalmente por ILoveKetchup402:

Publicado originalmente por Malvastor:

Not sure how long you've played this game off Steam, but once you play for a bit you realize Undead is honestly pretty weak. Other factions you don't have to close/wait/open to see huge rewards.

In my opinion, as someone who doesn't have all day to click on a screen, undead is good for me, there are obviously better options for people with different playstyles, but my strategy is specifically for people who want to do well without having the game open 24/7.

I'm not clicking on the game all day. Sometimes I'll leave it running in the background while I do other things. Other times I open it once for a few minutes, set up whatever I need to, and close it again. I pretty frequently miss opening it for a couple days on end. Which is why I say Undead is still pretty weak overall.

[ILoveKetchup402]

Publicado originalmente por Beltneck:

Its nice when you unlock the Drow too. Thats another pile of assistants to add with the Undead ones.

I really only play the other factions for the artefacts and trophies, but always go back to Undead when its time to log out for a while. Demons and Angels are good for autocasting, because of the high mana regen. Suppose the other ones are good if you actually wanna wear your mouse out with clicking.

exactly. The drow add thousands of assistants. My strategy may not be the best for getting money the fastest, but in my opinion, it is in fact the easiest strategy, due to the fact it doesn't require as much work

[The Great Rossalini]

Hey to all those saying undead is the worst can you at least give advice on what factions you use instead of saying OP WRONG lmao

[Pikaton]

Publicado originalmente por The Great Rossalini:

Hey to all those saying undead is the worst can you at least give advice on what factions you use instead of saying OP WRONG lmao

Depends on where you are in the game, so there is no catch all answer. Beyond, of course, the fact that the best faction is never Undead

[The Great Rossalini]

Publicado originalmente por Pikaton:

Publicado originalmente por The Great Rossalini:

Hey to all those saying undead is the worst can you at least give advice on what factions you use instead of saying OP WRONG lmao

Depends on where you are in the game, so there is no catch all answer. Beyond, of course, the fact that the best faction is never Undead

Okay gotcha, I'm on R3, and I'm not sure if I'm far ahead or far behind lol I checked that chart floating around for first ascension but it's pretty confusing

[AokiYakumo]

So the major problem with Undead and the reason why it tends to just not work well under 99.99% of circumstances is that it's the faction based around time spent.

This is a bit of a major problem because having to spend 12 hours to get a bonus equivalent to Goblin's Tax Collection scaling or Druid's scaling of max mana or even Elves with Elven Luck (all three of which get the comparative bonuses at the 5min to 10min to 30min mark) just doesn't work out mathematically.

In addition, none of the relevant bonuses you can have persist to other factions scale off Undead time (except Faceless 3's assistants based on longest run time, but since that's a generalist stat it doesn't matter what faction you pick to run 35 hours just that you run 36 hours uninterrupted). It makes it so running an offline run as any other faction ends up more productive long term.

Running Faceless time gradually scales Hivemind which gets shared to other factions thanks to Faceless Challenge 4.

Druid time is needed for A400 and can be useful for hitting certain mana requirements like Mana Lake or Autocasting.

Elf time increases clicks which begin to matter more than time spent VERY early on.

Merc time increases specific bonuses related to Merc builds like KYE.

Hell, each alignment has specific time scaling perks that end up outscaling Undead bonuses.
- Being good can increase max mana for Angel which is one of the best production factions in the game.
- Being evil increases building count, trophy count from C230, and overall production from Drow 1 - all of which are great for building Demon specifically (in fact from R22 to R29 you can run into scenarios where Demon outpaces Goblin in terms of production because you get so many multipliers onto Hell Portals that a 10min Demon run is worth a 30 HOUR Undead run).
- Neutral time is specific to Titan and Faceless, increasing FC-find chance and improving multiple challenge perks, and eventually boosting some Dragon perks and research options.

Overall, no. Undead is pretty lackluster unless you are VERY specifically trying to get trophies based on offline bonus, in which case you play Goblin until A55 is in the 1e07 range then switch to a FC-chance build on Undead to max FCs found which increases the number of REs bought which improves A480. Enough to get Van!shment without ever spending a minute offline.

[Chojoukif]

As a newish player (R12 as of now), undead is probably the best if you can only play say once a week, or maybe you can only use the computer for like 10 minutes everyday. They have pretty good time scaling, whereas many other factions do not have any or only very little time scaling.

However, I have observed that the optimal way to play this game is to abdicate, keep buying stuff and buildings until you can't anymore, do 1-2 rounds with as many spells as you can have active, and abdicate. Usually this will result in 100x-1000x mult gain and it only takes about 5iish minutes per run (though some runs give 1M or even 1B, for example when the mercs unlock, but these runs may also take slightly longer). Don't get me wrong, it takes time, for example, to get to 10^50 mult which is around R8 maybe? Idk, it would take about 1:30 hours of active play (as a crude estimate), and it can also be quite tiring. But the thing is, you don't really have to do it in one sitting, you can do 30 minutes to build some mult, then set up a longer run with the undead for example, which will also likely yield more than 1000x mult thus decreasing the active play needed, and then come back some other time to do the rest.

I think my main point is if you solely rely on the undead (which means you have to let each run cook for hours or even days depending on your playstyle) progress will be very slow. Additionally, I think if you offline the game a lot I think the faceless are also probably worth considering since you will gain a permanent benefit for all the time spent. But yeah, when you know you are about to stop playing, undead is a solid choice to switch to.

If I had to say what faction is best (where I am at in the game) I would say elves are best early (less that 1T gems) because especially with the bloodline you get all the faction coins you need in a flash and the multiplier gain is good. After that My preference is to switch to demons and fish for the drow (might take a run or 2), the evil spells have better mults and the skills also give more mult so you end up growing faster, but you need to use excavations or the elven bloodline to secure faction coins. Dwarf + fairy runs are also likely possible but I haven't messed around with it too much. I'm also not 100% if the goblins are that much worse than the demons, the main issue is it takes a while for the goblin greed to scale, and you need a lot of mana regen to keep it active, but with enough reincarnations you could probably get to a point where its comparable/better than demons. Once you hit about 10No ~ 1Dc mult you hit the mercs as at the point where I am at they are easily the strongest faction. Its important to ration the excavations to keep the runs short but beyond that they go by pretty fast (well, if you use lightning strike they can take longer if you get unlucky). At this point in the game the neutral classes seem broadly useless to me, since they don't have a prestige class to transition to, but I know later on they do get one.

[Tetsuri]

agreed. Having played before, and now trying to replay on mobile, undead is absolutely "the best", simply because I usually don't have the game on much at all. Yes, most other factions can gain faster, but you have to actively 1. abdicate once you reach soft cap, 2. click or manage spells, 3. toggle tax collection.

But you can just go offline for a few hours+ instead and come back for as much gain because Undead doesn't require having the game on or playing it tirelessly.