How something like Lightning Strike works mathematically

[dman_dustin]

*In case you take it the wrong way, when I say previous tier gems, I mean the gems I had to reach to for the current reincarnation level. So if I needed a million gems to reincarnate (yes I know, just bear with me), then previous tier gems means I have a million gems needing a billion gems meaning that would be refered to as next tier gems.(Tier obviously meaning by the difference of 1000 per number group. Like 1000 million is 1 billion 1000 billion is 1 trillion)

Is there something that I'm not understanding about the math in which production increases to explain why my 'lightning forge merc build" isn't producing a lot of gold, and therefore gems.

Let's assume I have 3 previous tier gems (which isn't the case but is the case for hypothetical purposes) but I need 1 next tier gems to reincarnate. And I have lightning forge which says that Blacksmith is my highest producing building on top of having the Fairy Bloodline.

Now I also have tax collection, call of arms, gem grinder, fairy chanting, and of course lightning strike.

How is it that when lighting strike hits any other building I've collected the hypothetical 3 previous tier gems I do have but when it strikes my blacksmith and after a few hours even striking my blacksmith in front of me along with the other buildings all I manange to get are (if I abdicate) 300 previous tier gems (meaning I'd need at least ~700 more previous tier gems to get enough to upgrade),

Now you're probably wondering how much of increase in production is lightning strike? It's 1 million %, because I have a lot of Iron Stronghold.

Are you telling me that with an added million % to production to my blacksmith along with Fairy Chanting, Gem Grinder and Call of arms, doesn't even give me 1 previous tier gem per second to my gem collection? (for some reason) Is the rate of gathering gems for abdication so skewed to the point that 98.9% of my production being hit with Lightning strike on top of the other spells, is NOT producing hardly any gems at all, and to be frank I don't even know how I even reach 300 previous tier gems because even if my blacksmith was hit, I would think if after a few hours it had reached 300 gems, that it would've hit the next tier of gems by now.

Does lightning strike hitting a 98.9% building production mean absolutely nothing, when I was able to to reach my 3 previous tier gems, likely if I did hit the blacksmith, it was very early in the run, that you'd think all of the maxed out (as much as my level will allow) of potential 100-500% of production upgrades mean jack diddly squat.

Or am I reaching the end of usefulness of Lightning forge merc, or is it that I need to constantly abdicate because the addtional 300 previous tier gems, could more guarantee 1 next tier gems than 3 previous tier gems.

I'm just absolutely confused as to why 1 million % of lightning strike when it hits the blacksmith just seemingly has no effect at all when it has 98.9%. Do I really have to wait a couple of days to reincarnate when my last reincarnation took only a few hours.

I'll be abdicating to get those 300 previous tier gems, but its annoying that I have to wait until I reach the level I'm currently at before maybe having any sort of effect with my set up.

[VampireKitten]

I... have absolutely no idea what you're saying. How many gems do you currently have? What R are you? What spells are you casting?
Edit: Wait, are you complaining that LF is *only* giving you 100 times your current gems?
Edit2ElectricBoogaloo: So you're basically complaining that multiplying your coins by roughly x10000(1e6% is x10001 multiplier) is only resulting in x100 gems, when that's in fact what should be happening.

[Necrodoom]

In other words, LF is only giving you 0.3 of your current gems in a blacksmith strike? (just say the gem count as it is displayed ingame seriously) EDIT: rereading it, LF actually gives you x100 gems
What R are you? How many gems you have? did you get Know Your Enemy lore artifact? Did you excavate? Did you buy Royal Exchanges?

[dman_dustin]

Doesn't matter anymore, apparently abdicating helped me reach the next tier for reincarnation. Although I only did it by overall collecting more than 1000 previous tier amount of gems rather than actually reaching the next tier of gems.

I just wanted to know more than anything the mathematical reasoning behind lightning strike and why this particular reincarnation setting was so slow in comparison to other reincarnations. Where a blacksmith would've given me ENOUGH gems to reincarnate when lightning strike actually hit it when I was maxed out, while somehow playing hours of the current reincarnation and having at the current level of coin production and gems and the max, when LS hit my blacksmith it really did nothing except barely reach the previous tier level of gems, up to a few hours later giving me 300 previous tier gems.

I guess abdicating really does help, since the 300 previous tier level gems was enough to give me 900 previous tier gems thus giving me the necessary gems to reincarnate.

My point was, every previous reincarnation whenever lightning strike had actually hit my blacksmith I was able to reincarnate really quickly but the current reincarnation took longer, maybe it was my fault for not abdicating as much as I should, and maybe that's why it took so long, but I don't remember having this many issues with Lightning Forge build with Lightning forge + Fairy Chanting + Gem Grinder + Call to Arms + 1 Tax collection, except just this ONE reincarnation.

I guess maybe the answer was that I wasn't abdicating enough, I just don't remember having to abdicate this frequently to reach 1000 previous tier gems to reach the next reincarnation stage.

I suppose maybe it was to be expected, but I at the very least would've thought hitting the blacksmith would've made it a lot easier to justify abdicating.

Does Lightning strike really only give me 100 gems of my current number of gems though? Is it because Blacksmith has a production value of almost 100% because if so, I don't know how that explains the previous levels of reincarnation where I would drastically reach a certain level without the blacksmith, abdicate, and then after that when I maxed out as much as my coins would allow for upgrades, when I hit the Blacksmith, I was able to reincarnate.

It doesn't matter anymore since I can reincarnate, just confused why it took so long in comparison to other reincarnations, and was wondering if I was confused about the math behind it,

If it does work with 100 gems of your current gem level (number of gems) then I guess the solution is just to abdicate more, so I'll keep that in mind.

[Necrodoom]

Why dont you say outright what stats you have instead of obsufocating this in this 'previous tier gems' thing?

[dman_dustin]

Originally posted by Necrodoom:

Why dont you say outright what stats you have instead of obsufocating this in this 'previous tier gems' thing?

Because I don't want help for ONE DAMN REINCARNATION, I want advice for future reincarnations.

I'm trying to understand the damn game, not one piddly reincarnation bump.

[Necrodoom]

Considering that every few reincarnations you have something that changes the game i have no idea what you want at all. You obsufocated so much i dont know what is your actual question, if theres any.

[dman_dustin]

Originally posted by Necrodoom:

Considering that every few reincarnations you have something that changes the game i have no idea what you want at all. You obsufocated so much i dont know what is your actual question, if theres any.

Okay fine, let me just use a hypothetical non realistic gems to give people clarity of what I was asking. Again all hypothetical, I realize the number of gems would have to be a lot higher but I'm just trying to illustrate my point because at this point, I don't even remember what the numbers were before.

Let's assume I need a trillion gems to abdicate (again hypothetical, just making my point), and lets assume for some stupid reason that in this hypothetical instance that I have lightning forge.

My problem was that with my lightning forge seemed when hit my blacksmith with Fairy Chanting Gem Grinder, Call of Arms, and a single tax collection, It seemed I was only getting at most 3 billion gems when I needed about a trillion.

Luckily it was explained that I was only going to make 3 billion gems because my total gems was about betwee 1 million to 100 million gems, I thought that since my lighting strike was providing 1 Million % added production TO MY Blacksmith, which was doing 98.9% of the production that 1 million % would've turned the abdication collection of 1-100 million to 1 trillion gems.

Given the fact that it only requires 10,000 million gems, to reach 1 trillion gems.

Therefore I was wondering why the math didn't work out properly. Why I was barely even getting 1-100 billion gems from the 1-100 Milion gems I did have, because I would think a million % added bonus would've drastically INCREASED the collection of gems for abdication.

Apparently as I learned, the mercenary build seems to be more about taking in consideration of your % of blacksmith production in consideration to the overall gems you have access to. So apparently if you had 1 million gems, lightning strike would've only ever at maximum at the time upgraded buildings along with other things would've only given you about 100 million gems, and therefore you needed to abdicate in order to solely keep chipping at the requirements for the next reincarnation.

As I said in my 2nd post, the key was to abdicating which increased the power of the lightning forge mercenary build, as soon as I did that reincarnation was easily.

I was at odds because I don't remember having to abdicate so much with my previous reincarnations, and maybe I just misremembered because instead of relying on the short numbers format to determine my reincarnation I have been focusing on Scientific Notion. And since at many points you can potentially collect 10,000 times or even more gems than your current gem level with the help of spells, I was wondering what I was doing wrong.

TO FURTHER CLARIFY- When I say previous tier gems, I mean the previous level required to reach reincarnation.

If you needed a trillion gems to reincarnate, then a billion gems would be the previous tier gems that I was talking about. Tier meaning the the 1-999 gems of the last required reincarnation since 1000 would reach the next tier of "numbers" and therefore provide the next reincarnation.
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SO ALL TOGETHER MY POINT WAS: If the lightning strike says it increases production by one million percent, I was asking why the it didn't feel like that when it actually struck my blacksmith which was doing 98.9% of my production, which confused me because I wouldn't think my ins and farms would've reached a lot of levels if they were hit with Lightning forge.

To the ultimate resolution, I just need to constantly abdicate (in regards to reincarnation) instead of trying get 10,000 more gems than the current amount I have. Abdicate when you reach the next bracket, so from 1 million gems to 10 or even 100 million gems

[alveolate]

lol and here i am at R55, taking >24h to just double my current gems.

op, you need to understand the meaning of Realm GRINDER - you will reach some points in the game where you simply need to grind longer.

for reference, it takes more and more coins to get the next gem - this is by design.

according to http://realm-grinder.wikia.com/wiki/Gem#Gem_Gain -

The formula for the total number of coins you need to have produced is n*(n+1)*5E11 [i.e. 500B], where n is the number of gems you want.

the first gem requires 1e12 coins, but by the 1,000th gem you will need 5e18 coins (i.e. 5mil times more coins for 1k times more gems). in other words, the requirements grow exponentially.

this is why no matter how hyper-efficient a build is, it will ALWAYS hit a new wall at some point. sometimes, you get new unlocks that further boost your production enough to clear those walls easily (if you're lucky, you might get an event booster during the worst walls). other times, your build and unlocks are already the best possible combination and you simply have to grind for a while.

as others have pointed out, you need to tell us the following info so we can give more appropriate advice:-
1) which Reincarnation (R) you're at
2) what build you're using (use 'export' then paste the build here)
3) how many gems you currently have

there is no need to talk about "previous" or "current" "tier" gems... there is just how many gems you currently have (i.e. the number at the bottom) and how many gems you will receive when you abdicate (i.e. the number at the top). the 'gems required for next R' is easy for anyone to check using the wiki - just need to know your current R.

also, there is no need to get agitated... god knows someone might lock the thread if things get "too heated" :3

[Necrodoom]

..So all in all, you need that for x10 gems, you need x100 gold, but you only get x10 production, so every x10 gems is harder than the last.

[dman_dustin]

I know gem walls exist, but given what I do know, I didn't think I was reaching a gem wall yet given that I still haven't quite reached that level yet as indicated by guides.

Especially when somehow a weaker mercenary build (diamond forge) is stil suggested for the level of reincarnation I haven't even reached the maximum suggested # of gems gained by the build, I'm close, I think but I just overlooked it and when for the Lightning Forge since it seemed quicker to me.

Maybe I'm just missing trophies or artifacts that would help. I think someone suggested "Know your enemy part one" I don't have that, I'm trying to work on that with the Harlequin-like mercenary build, as was suggested, but I want to try an reach the next reincarnation level and avoid using my excavations (well I used 300 but it says currently at my low coin level in comparison to what I'll need to reach maximum reincarnation coin level, I should be good with that, to hopefully I'll get it with 900+ excavations.

[Necrodoom]

So basically the entire issue is that you are missing KYE lore artifact.