STAR OCEAN™ - THE LAST HOPE™ - 4K & Full HD Remaster

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250 Kroot Hounds 2017 年 11 月 3 日 下午 7:18
So why is Star Ocean 4 so badly regarded?
I've played SO4 a few times and while some things do grate me about it (Lymle), I don't really see why alot of people hate it so much or call it a franchise killer (before what SO5 did). I mean, its story and characters are pretty cliche, but I don't really find that particularly offensive either, especially after going through SO3 "plot twist" (you know THAT one that affects the series as a whole)

Am I just missing something, or was it just a case of SO4 was the worst one by default until SO5 came along?

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Scyris 2017 年 11 月 27 日 上午 7:28 
引用自 LBG
SO4 had one of the most unlikable casts I've seen in a RPG. It's nice to see more jrpgs being ported to PC because we get some of the good ones like Trials of Cold Steel, but this is 2nd worst Star Ocean game. The International Edition fixed some of the problems, but you can't make terrible writing good.

"Edge Maverick is an incredibly bad judge of character, which frustrates many people. Especially considering the consequences."

Lets give this power source to the nice psycho nazi! What could possibly go wrong! Worse, Edge is the only one who seems horrified afterwards. Everyone else just kind of shrugs.

Even Reimi says "Edge its not your fault, they would have caused it regardless, we just sped it up a bit." Or something simmlar to it after the place you get the catloli.
Scyris 2017 年 11 月 27 日 上午 7:29 
引用自 archita
I think that Shion of Xenosaga is the best female character that I ever seen, many edgy and jealous, mature ( in Xenosaga 3 superb ) and woman like few female characters of J-Gaming...

If Reimi was like Shion, SO4 could be better story :)

Shion in Xenosaga was one of the better main chars of any Jrpg period, Defently better than any main char a final fantasy has ever had, Better than most jrpgs period actually.
Scyris 2017 年 11 月 27 日 上午 7:31 
引用自 VashePS4N : vashe9
I played the PS3 international version with japanese VA. It was okay I dont see why people dont like this game. English VA sucks in all JRPG's of all creation thats why I avoid them. YOu just discovered English VA sucks lol ?

Not all are bad, I look more along the lines of "does this voice fit the character well?" and "DO they actually try to act or just sound bored reading lines off a script?" Or "Can they actually pronounce the names properly?" For example Lymle's voice in So4 really irked the hell out of me that 'kay" on the end of everything got on my nerves pretty fast, Meracle too kinda got on my bad side. Most screw ups in dubs are those or even both of them.
最后由 Scyris 编辑于; 2017 年 11 月 27 日 上午 7:32
Crinklestar 2017 年 11 月 27 日 下午 2:54 
Because it's not Star Ocean 2
Seraphita 2017 年 11 月 27 日 下午 3:24 
引用自 Scyris
引用自 archita
I think that Shion of Xenosaga is the best female character that I ever seen, many edgy and jealous, mature ( in Xenosaga 3 superb ) and woman like few female characters of J-Gaming...

If Reimi was like Shion, SO4 could be better story :)

Shion in Xenosaga was one of the better main chars of any Jrpg period, Defently better than any main char a final fantasy has ever had, Better than most jrpgs period actually.
I can only agree. Hence why Xenosaga series is my favorite series ever so far. Shion as the best leading character and well, her friends who make very nice party members. EP3 is the best. :D
ArngrimEinherjar 2017 年 11 月 28 日 上午 10:11 
引用自 archita
I think that Shion of Xenosaga is the best female character that I ever seen)

Shion is strong and smart, aside from her internal depression regarding Kevin, there aren't many female characters like her, if not, the only one.
cANe 2017 年 11 月 28 日 上午 10:20 
I haven't played it since the original release on the X360 so my memory about it might be a bit hazy. Either way the game suffers from the typical X360/PS3 JRPG weakness that is first and foremost it's super slim. Compare it to previous games, especially SO:2 you had a ton of content in the game. So many meaningfull dungeons, towns and secrets to discover. In SO:4 the game is super bare bones, barely any exploration and when you get to the end it's hard to believe it since the game is just such a small experience.

Also secondly the characters and dialogue is awful, the writing is really bad even for a JRPG and the characters can be so damn annoying it will drive you crazy.

The visual were also a huge issue but I would imagien it's not a problem in this remaster. The original literally had chests for example pop into your view not until you are almost at arms length.

Overall it's a weak weak JRPG and can't hold a candle to the greatness of SO:2 or even the very good game SO:3
D-Mauro 2017 年 11 月 28 日 上午 10:28 
Played SO4 on 360 in 2009 and I quite enjoyed it. I had never played a previous SO game before so SO4 was my point of reference then. The only game thing that annoyed me was Lymle. I'm not sensitive to dubs in Japanese games either.
Bussy 2017 年 11 月 28 日 上午 10:38 
引用自 🐧 crow
because most people saw "nappy time with edgie, kayyy" and realized the game was made by pedophiles
Literally this. All the nap time with grandpa jokes combined with their creepy souless doll-eyes.
D's Journal 2017 年 11 月 28 日 上午 10:51 
Some people ain't play SO5.
OOOOhboi, was that game boring.
最后由 D's Journal 编辑于; 2017 年 11 月 28 日 上午 10:52
chrcoluk 2019 年 5 月 23 日 下午 8:51 
引用自 Drannth
I would argue that for the most part people got stuck on the poor 360 release for the following reasons:

1. The English voice acting is absolutely horrific, it's genuinely bad and it seriously detracts from the experience.
2. The disc swapping. This drove me up the wall, the further you got into the game and the more you tried to complete the more time you'd spend swapping disks around. Not everybody had the storage space or the desire to install the game to the HDD.

The game released on the 360 roughly a year prior to the International version which launched for the PS3. The re-release offered the option to use the original Japanese VA with English subs, which was a huge improvement. The requirement for disc swapping was also gone. Another issue many had beyond the above mentioned, were the character models. Many felt they had a soulless doll-like look to them.

The fact of the matter is, the game beyond those issues (essentially being the character models for the Steam release, so entirely down to personal taste) is a lot of fun. It has a serviceable story, a lot of features and content in the form of side quests and crafting. It also has what I would argue to be the best real time combat to ever grace a JRPG, it's seriously good and very rewarding once you get into it.

This game has a bad rep for minor problems that were mostly solved, people got stuck on the initial release. As far as I'm concerned this is the second best game in the SO series, beaten only by SO2. SO3 had a weaker plot and was extremely slow to start, the crafting was superior but frankly that's about it. The first game has aged poorly, it's average at best. The latest game is definitely the weakest entry.

To be honest apparently 90% of JRPG's have bad english voice acting, but supposedly good japanese voice acting, I dont know the basis of these comments other than possible racism from japanese speaking players. It goes without saying I would rather have even bad english voice acting that I can at least understand over a language I cannot understand.

Dont get me wrong the acting is not on the level of a top end well acted movie, but its not terrible either. I think most of the actors are fine, especially lymle. I also love lymle as a character, faize is also strong.

I havent played any other SO1, 2 or 3. I have played the newest game S05, S05 is terrible compared to this game. S04 was good enough to lure me into action RPG genre.

I dont think the game is perfect, here is what I consider as flaws.

1 - Rush gauge system, rush mode can be activated too frequently, especially on higher difficulty levels. So too many periods in fights where enemies cannot be interrupted.
2 - Critical hits breaking bonus board, shouldnt be a thing, since bosses tend to not able to be stagger locked, it leads to me kiting them instead of fighting them so I keep my bonus board. Same with certian enemies that have critical hit chance and on higher diffilculty levels when enemies are constantly in rush mode.
3 - Disc swapping on the 360 version post/end game is stupid.
4 - Synthesis system forcing you to accept junk passives, made even worse on the international version where foi and exp buffs force you to have junk passives as well.
5 - Balancing end game for spellcasters is poor, in the beta all spells could be added to chain combos, but in final release it was nerfed so late game spells couldnt be added, this leads to DPS been outclassed by physical fighters to an extreme level end/post game.
6 - Targeting on the 360 was painfully bad, there was no manual targeting button, on the international version this is partially rectified.
7 - On the international version enemies target sarah heavily due to defensive magic causing aggro, was a regressive change, in addition her buff durations got nerfed.
8 - No save system in WD, it was an interesting idea, but impractical, its hard to dedicate a 10 hour gaming session so essentially it means people just left their consoles on with the game paused whilst in WD so they could sleep/work.

None of these issues are major game breakers, they just a combination of annoyances. The battle system is very fluid. Story is reasonable, music is good. The graphics I would also say were decent for the time, this was released when the 360 was a brand new console.
chrcoluk 2019 年 5 月 23 日 下午 9:03 
引用自 Little Game Fairy
Edge Maverick is an incredibly bad judge of character, which frustrates many people. Especially considering the consequences.

I noticed jrpg players tend to be unable to get over imperfect characters, throwing toys out of the pram.

What happens with edge is interesting and I have no issue with it.

Making crow the main character would probably have been way more popular but also more boring.
Metadragon 2019 年 6 月 19 日 上午 11:41 
引用自 chrcoluk
引用自 Little Game Fairy
Edge Maverick is an incredibly bad judge of character, which frustrates many people. Especially considering the consequences.

I noticed jrpg players tend to be unable to get over imperfect characters, throwing toys out of the pram.

What happens with edge is interesting and I have no issue with it.

Making crow the main character would probably have been way more popular but also more boring.
To be fair the man is an explorer and one of five hopes for humanity. Only 2 of which survive btw. And he can't seem to understand when he is being played. Some guide of humanity we have. On the other hand he isn't privvy to information we the player have so its an impossible standard.

Part of what makes the Star Ocean franchise so loved was the introduction of the main characters to the wider political and existential threats.

Roddick was a simple country boy from a literal backwater barely medieval planet and he was introduced to the wider galactic community via Ronyx but just a little. Turns out Roak has a lot of lost civ stuff that is of interest to the wider community namely Fargett, Lezonia and Earth.

SO2 is about Ronyx's son and they go a level higher with Energy Nede and the Ten Wise Men. We only get hints of their significance in that game and learn they seeded a lot the planets we know of. And later in SO3 learn they are basically disgruntled anklebiter hacker teenagers from 4D space.

SO3 is about Fayt going EVEN higher and rebelling against the 4D people who are basically gods.

SO4 is naturally gonna sound lame in comparison to rebelling and winning and separating your UNIVERSE from the people that created it so you can live independently. Fighting some Grigori is cool but we have meta knowledge of the universe and know what they really are which ruins the suspension of disbelief.

You can't kill "God" (Luther) and then go back to acting like "Angels" (some mid level tech guy) are important
Ebon Wolf 2019 年 7 月 15 日 上午 4:37 
♥♥♥♥ writing. ♥♥♥♥ story. ♥♥♥♥ characters. ♥♥♥♥ dub. Soundtrack and combat tho👌🏾
These games really fail to stand up to the competition but 2 and 3 are easily the best.
最后由 Ebon Wolf 编辑于; 2019 年 7 月 15 日 上午 4:38
Rykari 2019 年 7 月 20 日 上午 8:15 
Go play it's predecessor and you'll see.
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