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You have a point tho about why would the council be afraid of them. After all the council gave them their "powers" nad as we saw in Darksiders 1 they can take that power back as well. Right at the beginning of DS1 most of War's power is taken from him.
Tho there is that "trinket" that the Lord of Hollows left behind for her, we have no idea whjat it is, just that the council seem to fear it being in her hands.
pride, envy, and to an extent the hollow lord all tell her this.
other then that yeah. not the best.
And yes, Envy does mention it was Council who released them. My bad. Then my question is why? They almost prefectly managed to kill War in DS1 - why not keep 7 in prison and destroy Fury in different manner?
Disguising powers are a possibility. Just because the Council makes the Watchers doesn't mean they actually care about who their Watchers are.
It's believed to been created by Envy as a decoy.
My guess is Angels under the order of the Council.
The Council to both questions. As Envy says, they wanted to destroy both the Sins and the Horsemen. So, by sending Fury out to destroy the Sins, they believed that Fury and the Sins would destroy each other. Of course, that didn't happen, same with War at the end of Darksiders 1 - because they didn't count on the breaking of the Seventh Seal. In Fury's case, they didn't predict for her to really find out anything.
The Council can't see the future.
"Those who have the most power always want more." The Council is corrupt and paranoid - afraid for their position. It's part of the reason why the Lord of Hollows left the Council.
I'll admit, this is a bit contrived if you skip over the Abraxis/Lord of Hollows segment of the game, but both Pride, Envy, and Vulgrim talk about how the Horsemen are pawns to the Council.
From what we know, the Lord of Hollows was the only member/former member of the Charred Council that paid attention to Humanity. He was looking for his own balance, but decided to side with Fury. Eh... it is a bit confusing.
Probably because it might be used in a future title. Plus, the stone heads aren't exactly the Council's true form. We can see that with the Lord of Hollows - being a former member.
Because Envy caught them unawares - showed up and suddenly started attacking them. Well, attacking their stone heads, but yeah.
As far as we can tell, the Council told Abaddon where to find the humans, in an effort to also dispose of Fury. It is a bit contrived, though, yeah. This is the earliest form of the Destroyer we've seen, after Abaddon was changed.
Who knows? The Council said he was attending to "other matters". Probably will be answered in his own game.
If they are that afraid of horseman, why do they release War later down the line instead of quietly axing him off? Going by this game, by the time of first DS somebody "disrespecting" them is the least of their problems - they have horseman on the loose, and humanity being resurrected.
Next, Council is never accused of willing to destroy humans - just letting it happen. It can be interpreted in many ways, but I don't see it in game as direct malice.
And if Council as seen are just talking heads, there's literally no point in battling Envy, as there's no threat to actual members. Great.
Actually, wait, why does Fury even goes to save Council if she's so triggered by then? ♥♥♥♥ them, let Envy finish her job and kill her afterwards.
wouldn't that allow her to take the power of the council and use it? since they can take away the horsemen's power, she would use that power as well, as we noticed in the final fight, she used all the powers of the previous sins trapped inside the stone or w.e and use it like if they existed.
last question, how many times the word ♥♥♥♥ been mentioned in this thread?
They might have accounted for Envy being the Watcher, but they didn't account for Envy to actually attack them.
They probably can't deal with power from outside forces, just the power that they themselves gave to the Horsemen.
War is honourable to a fault. As the Watcher says, "They knew you'd butcher everyone involved to clear your name." It's what War learned at the Tree of Knowledge - the Watcher didn't see anything. The Council knowingly manipulated the Horseman in order to get rid of the instigators of the End War.
As we know, the Council isn't perfect, they can't see the future. As it so happens, Lucifer can.
As for quietly axing them off, that's kind of hard to do to your only enforcers. Plus, they were going to execute War until War told them to send him to Earth. "Then I will fail, and the demons will have carried out your sentence."
On the humans, I think it's more that they don't actually care about the humans. Again, the Council became corrupt - and ended up policing Heaven and Hell while leaving the Third Kingdom in the dust. Again, they probably told Abaddon about them so that Fury could be disposed of.
Why Fury goes to take out Envy? So she can finish what she/The Council started and regain her powers. Who knows if Envy would've gotten stronger by taking out the Council - stronger that Fury could ever hope to defeat.
Just because the Stone heads aren't exactly their true form, the Council does see it as one of their forms, and seemingly are rather protective of them. An attack on the heads is an attack on the Council itself, and the Council doesn't like that at all.
when you suck up first envy i the talisman it has white energy lightning while the real sins have green energy
Perhaps the amulet does't only affect sins
It is your own faut then, i think.
-The four horseman already had tremendous power before the council gave them more power. So even without the councils power they could put up a decent fight from the other powers that they gained from clearing names and the hunts they did in the games.
-the council wants more power and wants to be the only one with power so if they can kill the horsemen, the heads of heaven and heads of hell no one can stop them.
-strifes mission was probable to kill humanity and whoever helps them but after seeing how weak they are he eent into hiding and is helping them now.
-the destroyer was going after the humans now because thats what he has been doing since Abbadon got that power
-the council killed rampage by giving lust the power to revive the dead. Lust revived angels and used them to do it (my thought)
-and for the peraon asking about what fury has to do with the four horsemen she is famine as strife is pestilence. When the council gave them there powers they picked new names
1. This is mostly correct. Nephilim have tremendous power by themselves, and the Council gave War, Death, Fury, and Strife more power as the four were tired of Absalom's whole schtick - in exchange for serving as the Council's enforcers. Any powers they gain from other sources (Samael, The Lord of Hollows, the Crowfather, etc) cannot be taken away by the Council, as they themselves did not give them those powers.
2. Noted this earlier, but you're stretching a little. Possibly correct.
3. Again, a bit of a stretch. This definitely won't be clarified with Genesis, but maybe in a future title instead.
4. We don't know that. Then again, we don't know what the Destroyer was doing in those 100 years.
5. Again, a stretch. Possible, but a bit too much of a stretch.
6. Oh boy... Nope, nope, nope. Famine and Pestilence/Conquest are just names made up for the Black Rider and White Rider, same as War is made up for the Red Rider.
There is no actual source that explicitly states that the Red Rider is called War, the Black Rider is called Famine, and the White Rider is called Pestilence/Conquest. Only the Pale Rider is called Death.
- The White Rider went forth and conquered (no name mentioned)
- The Red Rider had a sword (no name mentioned)
- The Black Rider had scales and denoted rationing (no name mentioned)
- The Pale Rider's name was Death.
In the Darksiders universe, it has ALWAYS, ALWAYS, been War, Death, Fury, and Strife. They appeared in the original comic. War got Strife's pistol Mercy as well as "Fury's Embrace" in Darksiders 1. Death got Strife's second pistol Redemption in Darksiders 2, and their names are explicitly stated in Darksiders 2.
for real man... thank you. I didn't want to type all that out myself lol. You can get the whole gist of the story by paying attention to the subtleties hidden throughout. Sure, there will be a few continuity issues due to thq going under years back, and then picking up way later... But all in all, I feel like they kept things relatively on the same page.
But my BIGGEST question for siders 3.... is WHAT THE ♥♥♥♥ IS THE TORNADO????? The whole dialogue about it... "what brews within isn't your mission." "yo ♥♥♥♥♥ you hear that? that dude just said thanks..." the last half of the scar focuses almost solely on that tornado puzzle, and its reason for being around... But we get no lore... no hints... nothing, about what it actually is. Hoping someone can figure out more on that, or maybe it'll be revealed in the void dlc?