"War shattered the seventh seal", a lie by the Council?

[edisn]

War destroyed the last seal at the end of DS1, but there all remaining Horsemen were summoned,
so I have to assume this is just another ploy by the council.

If anyone has finished it already (I read some steam-reviews that claimed they had) can the write a (aw much as possible spoiler-free) description of what happened.

PS: Dark Horse, does Fury get scales at some point? (Revelations-6, first and third horseman would be boring to implement as written burt some things might be a good touch.)

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In esence IF we are during Wars long imprisonment, how can they state something INFRONT of him that contradicts something they would say to him later when hhe is officialy send?
When we arent in this point of the timeline, where are we?

[Trog Archer]

Originally posted by edisn:

Originally posted by Trog Archer:

Not in the next one but in the one after that, we still need to see the story of Strife

I hope for either being able to switch between Riders in that (5th) entry, or even more players.

Yeah me too, like you can play the entiree game for your favourite horseman or change them anytime you want

[ZexxCrine]

lots of misinformation here.

SPOILERS FOR DARKSIDERS 1











A .the charred council knew that war did nothing wrong
B. The seventh seal was never broken until war broke it at the end of the game
C. it is unclear what exactly caused the endwar to start and remains one of my lingering questions for the series. Abbadon made certain that all but one of the seals were broken and he guarded the last one. He, Azrael, and ulthane conspired to break all but one seal, beat the dark army before they knew what hit them, and then reforge the seals with the council unaware of their scheme. my theory is that they crafted an 8th seal and broke it but it was never explicitly stated how breaking all but one seal caused the end war.
D. despite their plan, the council was aware of it from the outset.

this is all info from darksiders 1

[Wintermute]

Originally posted by ZexxCrine:

lots of misinformation here.

SPOILERS FOR DARKSIDERS 1











A .the charred council knew that war did nothing wrong
B. The seventh seal was never broken until war broke it at the end of the game
C. it is unclear what exactly caused the endwar to start and remains one of my lingering questions for the series. Abbadon made certain that all but one of the seals were broken and he guarded the last one. He, Azrael, and ulthane conspired to break all but one seal, beat the dark army before they knew what hit them, and then reforge the seals with the council unaware of their scheme. my theory is that they crafted an 8th seal and broke it but it was never explicitly stated how breaking all but one seal caused the end war.
D. despite their plan, the council was aware of it from the outset.

this is all info from darksiders 1

C: they broke first six, knowing that demons will sense it, and send out their generals to make preparations for war. Abaddon was hoping to kill said generals, reforge the seals, and then pretend that nothing happened, and demons just attacked unprovoked. Demons, instead, knowing full well Abaddon will take the fall for the entire thing, attacked in full force without waiting for seals to be broken. Hellguard got rekt, demons got Earth, Abaddon got the blaim. EZ.

Meanwhile Council, trying to save face, pretended that no seals were broken at all, and War is to blame for unsactioned fight.

[ZexxCrine]

Originally posted by Wintermute:

Originally posted by ZexxCrine:

lots of misinformation here.

SPOILERS FOR DARKSIDERS 1











A .the charred council knew that war did nothing wrong
B. The seventh seal was never broken until war broke it at the end of the game
C. it is unclear what exactly caused the endwar to start and remains one of my lingering questions for the series. Abbadon made certain that all but one of the seals were broken and he guarded the last one. He, Azrael, and ulthane conspired to break all but one seal, beat the dark army before they knew what hit them, and then reforge the seals with the council unaware of their scheme. my theory is that they crafted an 8th seal and broke it but it was never explicitly stated how breaking all but one seal caused the end war.
D. despite their plan, the council was aware of it from the outset.

this is all info from darksiders 1

C: they broke first six, knowing that demons will sense it, and send out their generals to make preparations for war. Abaddon was hoping to kill said generals, reforge the seals, and then pretend that nothing happened, and demons just attacked unprovoked. Demons, instead, knowing full well Abaddon will take the fall for the entire thing, attacked in full force without waiting for seals to be broken. Hellguard got rekt, demons got Earth, Abaddon got the blaim. EZ.

Meanwhile Council, trying to save face, pretended that no seals were broken at all, and War is to blame for unsactioned fight.

that explanation makes no sense either. if the demons could sense that the seals were being broken then they would know that the 7th wasnt. As brazen as the demons have been shown to be they are not stupid. even assuming that they knew and lilith especially used that knowledge to convert abbadon, then darksiders 1 should have had a completely different setup. because in that instance the demons just said "♥♥♥♥ the council we are going to the world of man" and abbadon, a pawn or not, decided to fight them there. at that point the council would have more than enough evidence to show the horseman that "hey the seven seals were not broken and the demons just kinda showed up please kill them for ending the world of man."

the plot really only works if the demons were initially unaware and the council knew that abbadon had set all of it in motion but couldn't pin it on him because of the subterfuge. which they couldn't do in the above example either, but the difference is that in the above example the mission would be to completely destroy all of demonkind who conspired to start the end war early which would include abbadon as the destroyer.

they already set a precedent for such a thing with the extermination of the nephilim due to their claims on the world of man.

also just a correction, the council is not pretending that the seals were never broken. they say "the seals are intact" because they are. as far as they can prove the seals werent broken because they had already been reforged.

all of this assuming its not directly brought up in darksiders 3 ofc. i havent played it yet, but if they spin it like the demons knew the whole time and showed up early then that is just poor writing. I went back and watched the cutscene where all the subterfuge is explained in ds1 to make sure I had my info correct before I posted and they definately never explained why breaking 6 seals would start the end war

[Elensar]

The actual 7th seal wasn't broken however WAR sensed the seals being broken and was quick to act, young and well... warlike he attacked however as the 7th wasn't broken he started loosing his powers (First level DS1 during the apocalypse)

Fake versions of the first 6 were then reforged to give the impression that they were never broken, so basically War was then blamed for starting the apocalypse when in fact it was a corrupted abbadon who then became the destroyer.

the council are as corrupt as the others as the watcher tried to prevent the actual 7th seal being broken to keep War in check.

[ZexxCrine]

Originally posted by Elensar:

The actual 7th seal wasn't broken however WAR sensed the seals being broken and was quick to act, young and well... warlike he attacked however as the 7th wasn't broken he started loosing his powers (First level DS1 during the apocalypse)

Fake versions of the first 6 were then reforged to give the impression that they were never broken, so basically War was then blamed for starting the apocalypse when in fact it was a corrupted abbadon who then became the destroyer.

the council are as corrupt as the others as the watcher tried to prevent the actual 7th seal being broken to keep War in check.

i mean in a cutscene the coucil clearly says that they will send war and give him a reason to seek vengence in order to enact the will of the council due to their inability to provide proof of abbadons plot to the horseman because the seals were reforged.

so unless they retconned it, the council forcibly deployed/tricked war into thinking the seals were broken.

if they DIDNT do that then the cutscene where they plan to set war up makes no sense because at that point they are just goping he rides into the war early and he just so happens to do that.

[Elensar]

Originally posted by ZexxCrine:

Originally posted by Elensar:

The actual 7th seal wasn't broken however WAR sensed the seals being broken and was quick to act, young and well... warlike he attacked however as the 7th wasn't broken he started loosing his powers (First level DS1 during the apocalypse)

Fake versions of the first 6 were then reforged to give the impression that they were never broken, so basically War was then blamed for starting the apocalypse when in fact it was a corrupted abbadon who then became the destroyer.

the council are as corrupt as the others as the watcher tried to prevent the actual 7th seal being broken to keep War in check.

i mean in a cutscene the coucil clearly says that they will send war and give him a reason to seek vengence in order to enact the will of the council due to their inability to provide proof of abbadons plot to the horseman because the seals were reforged.

so unless they retconned it, the council forcibly deployed/tricked war into thinking the seals were broken.

if they DIDNT do that then the cutscene where they plan to set war up makes no sense because at that point they are just goping he rides into the war early and he just so happens to do that.

You're correct I actually just rewatched the cutscene from the Tree in Eden and yeah you're correct. it has been so long since I played that I didn't remember quite correctly lol.

[Alpha and Omega]

Originally posted by Trog Archer:

the shattering the Council talks about happens in the prolouge of the DS1 when War is first summoned on Earth

But at the end of the prologue/start of the main game the Charred Council say that the seal wasn't shattered and that War jumped the gun. Because *spoilers* it was shattered and secretly reforged, something that War doesn't find out until late in the first game.

So does War lose his memory of the years between the prologue and the main Darksiders game?

[ZexxCrine]

Originally posted by Alpha and Omega:

Originally posted by Trog Archer:

the shattering the Council talks about happens in the prolouge of the DS1 when War is first summoned on Earth

But at the end of the prologue/start of the main game the Charred Council say that the seal wasn't shattered and that War jumped the gun. Because *spoilers* it was shattered and secretly reforged, something that War doesn't find out until late in the first game.

So does War lose his memory of the years between the prologue and the main Darksiders game?

honestly I always just assumed that war basically blacks out and then is kept in a kind of stasis between the prologue and the main portion of the game. no real explanation was given in darksiders 1. I just assumed he blacked out until the main game started due to his question of how long it had been when he gets back.

however darksiders 3 seems to indicate that he was fully awake the whole time which brings up a number of questions like, what the hell was he and the council talking about for that long, how much do you think his shoulders and knees hurt being strung up like that the whole time,...did they feed him? do nephilim need to eat? did he get bathroom breaks?

honestly I liked my stasis assumption a lot more.

[Kairos Basket Weaver]

Originally posted by Trog Archer:

Originally posted by edisn:

I am sure in the first game in the beginning of the first game, after war runns around on the world and is called back, they state that the seals are intact.



But i thought he was incaserated because he stormed in BEVORE the seal was broken?

The seventh seal was cracked by Ulthane Abbadon and that angeel that you meet at the end of DS1, they cracked the seal so the Heaven can attack Hell and then Ulthane repaired the seal so it doesn't appear broken, but the War still got summoned by this, but the Council denies that the seal was broken to cover their own asses

I thought it was the council summoned war and made it seem like there was a call and that the seal was broken, the council knew of abadon and what he would do but rather then breaking it abadon kept it to himself.

[ZexxCrine]

Originally posted by Jiggaboo Jones:

Originally posted by Trog Archer:

The seventh seal was cracked by Ulthane Abbadon and that angeel that you meet at the end of DS1, they cracked the seal so the Heaven can attack Hell and then Ulthane repaired the seal so it doesn't appear broken, but the War still got summoned by this, but the Council denies that the seal was broken to cover their own asses

I thought it was the council summoned war and made it seem like there was a call and that the seal was broken, the council knew of abadon and what he would do but rather then breaking it abadon kept it to himself.

you are correct.

[Player Zer01]

Originally posted by Кашерна:

^ this is right.
I think Council will get their ass kicked in next game.

the next game is strife and his mission from the council. the 5th game (if there is one) will be the end of the council.

[Player Zer01]

Originally posted by ZexxCrine:

Originally posted by Alpha and Omega:

But at the end of the prologue/start of the main game the Charred Council say that the seal wasn't shattered and that War jumped the gun. Because *spoilers* it was shattered and secretly reforged, something that War doesn't find out until late in the first game.

So does War lose his memory of the years between the prologue and the main Darksiders game?

honestly I always just assumed that war basically blacks out and then is kept in a kind of stasis between the prologue and the main portion of the game. no real explanation was given in darksiders 1. I just assumed he blacked out until the main game started due to his question of how long it had been when he gets back.

however darksiders 3 seems to indicate that he was fully awake the whole time which brings up a number of questions like, what the hell was he and the council talking about for that long, how much do you think his shoulders and knees hurt being strung up like that the whole time,...did they feed him? do nephilim need to eat? did he get bathroom breaks?

honestly I liked my stasis assumption a lot more.

no in the first game when war is sent to clear his name the council tell him a 100 years have passed since the first call. with war and the councils relam time passes faster so easily 10-20 mins would equal years on earth. the only thing that just an odd thing is war talks to fury (and possibly strife) but in the first game he makes no mention of talking with any of his brethern.

[Кашерна]

Originally posted by Noble_One:

Originally posted by Кашерна:

^ this is right.
I think Council will get their ass kicked in next game.

the next game is strife and his mission from the council. the 5th game (if there is one) will be the end of the council.

Iirc they never planned 5 games. 4th should be the last one, with all 4 Horsemen together.

[~New.BabYLoN~]

There will be no 4th or 5th unless they patch the core elements back into Darksiders 3 and start having positive feedbacks from real fans.