Empire of Sin - Expansion 2: Possible release date?

[gott bewahre den rave]

So hey, the silence of the devs is pretty weird to say the least.
However they put up the page for the expansion 2 on Steam and on other stores.
When you go to the Nintendo store page for the expansion [ec.nintendo.com] it says "Planned release date: 12/2022". So maybe that could be it? It is very odd that they do not talk about it anywhere else.

[Fatbill]

This is the game that both the devs and publisher wish everyone would forget about.
It sold so poorly, that both companies lost money. It is just not a good game.
And yet, both PDX and Romero are on the hook for another DLC for a very poor selling game, because they pre-sold it at release.
Both companies are busy working on "other things" (allegedly, in the case of Romero) and there is no real reason to hurry along the release of a product they are going to lose money making, anyway.

[Njordy]

Well, who's to blame? Nobody forced them to announce 2 DLCs before launch and start selling them too...

[Fatbill]

Originally posted by Njordy:

Well, who's to blame? Nobody forced them to announce 2 DLCs before launch and start selling them too...

The former CEO of PDX was held responsible for this and other recent failures at PDX and was asked to resign. The new "old" CEO wasted no time in saying that PDX would be focusing on core brands and products they did in studio.
Which is not this.
They expected more than a few thousand people to buy this title. (And they also probably expected this title to be "good".)
So, both Romero and PDX are stuck doing another DLC they don't want to do and will lose money on.

[Big Poppa]

Paradox has released failure dlc for nearly all their games since that ceo has been gone. That last ceo was not the problem.

[Kunovega]

Originally posted by Big Poppa:

Paradox has released failure dlc for nearly all their games since that ceo has been gone. That last ceo was not the problem.

Much of which was probably already in the works. I wouldn't expect to see any long term improvements for at least another year, or maybe they never recover, we'll see

[Njordy]

The official site says "Planned Release Date: 12.2022"

[Coach]

I think at the end, they will probably have to rush some quick, half-backed dlc out the door, otherwise they can potentially face litigations for selling DLCs under false pretense.
This DLC will probably introduce an elderly woman that is dressed as a clown and has a special ability to summon flowers in the middle of battles in order to pacify the enemies and make them all fall in love with each other. The Dlc will sell for 5 dollars and that's that.

[Chief]

Originally posted by Coach:

I think at the end, they will probably have to rush some quick, half-backed dlc out the door, otherwise they can potentially face litigations for selling DLCs under false pretense.
This DLC will probably introduce an elderly woman that is dressed as a clown and has a special ability to summon flowers in the middle of battles in order to pacify the enemies and make them all fall in love with each other. The Dlc will sell for 5 dollars and that's that.

LOL take my points. Funny post :)

[Silver]

I really hope for more content?
As a new player i have fallen in love with this game.

[Njordy]

I haven't bought it yet. I've read the reviews, watched some videos, but still interested in it :)

[Fatbill]

You can find this game on sale for stupidly cheap if you look around.
It has sold for under $5 as part of bundles.
It is just not well done, not historically accurate in any respect (despite being marketed as such), has a good number of bugs left which will probably never be fixed, and the combat (which is most of the game) is really, REALLY repetitive.
Most people can't even stomach a single playthru.
It is just... boring.

(But loaded with historically inaccurate woke stuff.)

[LukanGamer]

Originally posted by Fatbill:

You can find this game on sale for stupidly cheap if you look around.
It has sold for under $5 as part of bundles.
It is just not well done, not historically accurate in any respect (despite being marketed as such), has a good number of bugs left which will probably never be fixed, and the combat (which is most of the game) is really, REALLY repetitive.
Most people can't even stomach a single playthru.
It is just... boring.

(But loaded with historically inaccurate woke stuff.)

devils advocate

Same can be said about many games from AAA to best classics

never saw marketing about historical accurate and by gameplay marketing could see was not in many ways (also to many not big deal, while some ya it is and unfortunate but w/e its both ways)

again can be said about any game and also like any game people get different amounts of them from 0-countless for many games.

...again can be said about many games... and also with all your hate posts clear showing of being way to emotional/attack of it especially if you add "many cant do 1 playthrough" as I read countless do enjoy 1 playthrough for least some time and typically only after that are very bored and dissapointed.


Game 100% is not good would say average with a deep need of the 2nd dlc that is required by them but is taking forever and is not worth much of anything especially with its new owner saying only going to focus on main titles abandoning this 1.

Its ok if have heavy itch for mafia strat game though, especially since most mafia games in general no matter genre (this being hardest and rarest) have been at best single playthrough worthy and very heavy on combat which becomes repetitive and disappointing other gameplay parts (ie shaking down stores in Godfathers/selling drugs in Scarface/having crew do stuff in Godfather 2 or removing enemy crew members/driving entire map non stop while doing same exact "mission" and talks in Mafia 3/Omerta repeating same things every map with little regard...).

[Fatbill]

Originally posted by LukanGamer:

Originally posted by Fatbill:

You can find this game on sale for stupidly cheap if you look around.
It has sold for under $5 as part of bundles.
It is just not well done, not historically accurate in any respect (despite being marketed as such), has a good number of bugs left which will probably never be fixed, and the combat (which is most of the game) is really, REALLY repetitive.
Most people can't even stomach a single playthru.
It is just... boring.

(But loaded with historically inaccurate woke stuff.)

devils advocate

Same can be said about many games from AAA to best classics

never saw marketing about historical accurate and by gameplay marketing could see was not in many ways (also to many not big deal, while some ya it is and unfortunate but w/e its both ways)

again can be said about any game and also like any game people get different amounts of them from 0-countless for many games.

...again can be said about many games... and also with all your hate posts clear showing of being way to emotional/attack of it especially if you add "many cant do 1 playthrough" as I read countless do enjoy 1 playthrough for least some time and typically only after that are very bored and dissapointed.


Game 100% is not good would say average with a deep need of the 2nd dlc that is required by them but is taking forever and is not worth much of anything especially with its new owner saying only going to focus on main titles abandoning this 1.

Its ok if have heavy itch for mafia strat game though, especially since most mafia games in general no matter genre (this being hardest and rarest) have been at best single playthrough worthy and very heavy on combat which becomes repetitive and disappointing other gameplay parts (ie shaking down stores in Godfathers/selling drugs in Scarface/having crew do stuff in Godfather 2 or removing enemy crew members/driving entire map non stop while doing same exact "mission" and talks in Mafia 3/Omerta repeating same things every map with little regard...).

No, not really.
This game is crap. How do we know? Next to no one is playing it.
Look at the Steam numbers, under 200 people a day, sometimes under 100.
The reviews are bad, here and at other places. Even IGN which is notorious for giving bad games good ratings gave it around a 40%.
This game is not old, and is technically still in production.
Although on-going support for this game is all but non-existent. The last fix up patch was when?
The DLCs for this game are glacially slow, because neither company is going to make any money selling them at this point.
Please, name one other "AAA or best classic" game that has sold for under $5 in less than the 2 years since it released.
I'll wait.
Look at the marketing for the run up for this game, and you will see numerous references to Romero games doing "historical research" about the time period.
And then they put in all kinds of (woke) not period game play elements and left out... cars. (Didn't you know gangsters took cabs to all their hits in the 1920s? :P)

So you are wrong on almost all points.

If this game was good, people would play it no matter what people say about it. And the reviews wouldn't suck.

But it is not, and people don't play it.

[Njordy]

Originally posted by Fatbill:

This game is not old, and is technically still in production.
Although on-going support for this game is all but non-existent. The last fix up patch was when?

DEPOTS UPDATE:
18 November 2021 (256 days ago)

Originally posted by Fatbill:

And then they put in all kinds of (woke) not period game play elements...

It's woke? Damn. I'm out in this case, can't stand lefty bs.

[Fatbill]

Originally posted by Njordy:

Originally posted by Fatbill:

This game is not old, and is technically still in production.
Although on-going support for this game is all but non-existent. The last fix up patch was when?

DEPOTS UPDATE:
18 November 2021 (256 days ago)

Originally posted by Fatbill:

And then they put in all kinds of (woke) not period game play elements...

It's woke? Damn. I'm out in this case, can't stand lefty bs.

What was even worse was that the woke stuff directly conflicted with the setting of a historical gangster game.
The Irish and Italian mobs did not look like the effin rainbow coalition.
Al Capone's top hit man was not a old Chinese woman.
50% of the cops were not women in the 1920s.
And that is not even mentioning all of the gay love triangle stuff between mobsters (which is not at all historically accurate as being tolerated in a gang), that OBVIOUSLY took a lot of programming time to do, at the expense every other game mechanic that could have used more work (which was most of them).

I am not a fan of "wokeness" injected into computer games.

I am even less of a fan, when it actively made the game worse, because of the "opportunity cost" of doing that stuff, instead of making other more functional game play mechanics better, or at least less bad. Which is what happened here.