Is It Really That Bad?

[johneski]

Is the game really as bad as what the reviews say?

[Twelvefield]

No. There's good things in it...

It's not my favourite game in the whole wide world, though, and there are a lot of things I wish were different. Gangsters with XCOM should have been a slam dunk, but instead it's the Portsmouth Sinfonia version of The Untouchables. It's "kind of" entertaining, and it runs well and looks good, but it oustays its welcome.

I got it on deep sale and maybe I have my money's worth, if only because of shooting machineguns at people. I think it's better than Omerta, but that's not saying much.

[johneski]

Thank you!

[ThotsBContagious]

Originally posted by Twelvefield:

No. There's good things in it...

It's not my favourite game in the whole wide world, though, and there are a lot of things I wish were different. Gangsters with XCOM should have been a slam dunk, but instead it's the Portsmouth Sinfonia version of The Untouchables. It's "kind of" entertaining, and it runs well and looks good, but it oustays its welcome.

I got it on deep sale and maybe I have my money's worth, if only because of shooting machineguns at people. I think it's better than Omerta, but that's not saying much.

I have both and don't get how they BOTH messed up and missed the mark so much. Gangsters did it very well and its old af.. apparently they want to be different and stand out but thats not what people want them to do.

[Lurhem]

Honestly, I do not get why people doesn't like this game. I respect their opinion, I just do not understand.
This game is really fun and entertaining. Ambiance is also very good. Events and sidequests are surpising me. Many ideas are very good. A journalist for your reputation or another one giving you an interview to get some traits bonuses. I found these very good.

Usually, Paradox is excellent for these kind of games. I mean by this, games where you have to manage an empire and diplomatic relations among others. I'm thinking of Crusades series by example just to naming one.

AI opponents in gunfight is not genius but I see this game as a big picture. A management game where you have to deal with events and gang relations. You never know when a bad event comes up at bad time. Extinguishing fires around you and grow your businesses before they all go against you. That's how I see the game. ;)

More, what I like of Empire of Sin compared to Xcom is that the game is not frustrating to play in combat. You do not miss your taget constantly and are not losing your soldiers always dramatically. I'm finding it more balanced than Xcom.

Empire of Sin is fun to play and the purpose of a game is to give fun. Job done!

[Twelvefield]

You hit on something I was trying to say but missed: this game is not very demanding. That's not a bad thing. It's good for casual XCOM-style gameplay, but it's not hyperkinetic like XCOM, nor is it off the hook like Pandora Directive. If there are parts of the game that could or should take chances and be dramatic, EoS plays safe.

Gangsters was much better, but it's powerfully old.

[Demetry842]

Originally posted by johneski:

Is the game really as bad as what the reviews say?

No. I don’t think so. Just started playing, but looks promising.

It looks like, the problem is that (for some reason) people compare the game with X-com. I do not know why. The game was not intended to be X-com. And in general, it is not much like it atall.

It is difficult to describe the genre of the game. It combines elements of an economic simulator, tactical combat, and character stories.

The closest I can remember... This is a "syndicate" created by Bullfrog Studios in 1993 (but there was a cyberpunk style).

[johneski]

I know it's on sale now at 33% off at $26.79 but I think I'll wait until it has a REALLY good sale price, at least 50% off. The game sounds promising but it doesn't seem to be there yet and I'm not ready to spend that much on a game that has "potential". I think the developer would be very smart to lower the price or even have a better sale price for people like me to at least give it a chance and check it out. As it stands now with so many great games with an even better sale price, I'll pass on this one.

[Obiwan]

Originally posted by johneski:

I know it's on sale now at 33% off at $26.79 but I think I'll wait until it has a REALLY good sale price, at least 50% off. The game sounds promising but it doesn't seem to be there yet and I'm not ready to spend that much on a game that has "potential". I think the developer would be very smart to lower the price or even have a better sale price for people like me to at least give it a chance and check it out. As it stands now with so many great games with an even better sale price, I'll pass on this one.

it's close to 50% on IndieGala ... i did the math and caved grabbed premium as my interest was spurred by expansion and free LC announcements .... given what PDX generally do with any product under their name ... im quietly optimistic this will grow.

That being said City of Gangsters is EXCELLENT and well worth a pre-order for less than what ud pay on sale here.

[Lurhem]

Originally posted by Obiwan:

Originally posted by johneski:

I know it's on sale now at 33% off at $26.79 but I think I'll wait until it has a REALLY good sale price, at least 50% off. The game sounds promising but it doesn't seem to be there yet and I'm not ready to spend that much on a game that has "potential". I think the developer would be very smart to lower the price or even have a better sale price for people like me to at least give it a chance and check it out. As it stands now with so many great games with an even better sale price, I'll pass on this one.

it's close to 50% on IndieGala ... i did the math and caved grabbed premium as my interest was spurred by expansion and free LC announcements .... given what PDX generally do with any product under their name ... im quietly optimistic this will grow.

That being said City of Gangsters is EXCELLENT and well worth a pre-order for less than what ud pay on sale here.

I'm curious to know how you can say City of Gangsters is EXCELLENT when this game will be released only in August. A pre-order doesn't give you the game before its release. The game is not ready.
How and where did you try this game?

[sztripi]

Most of the people here are talking about an ancient pc game called gangsters form windows 95/98 age. It was immensely better then this game in all possible aspects (excluding graphics). At lest I think some of the people are talking about it. Anyway I would tell you to check it out but it does not work anymore... There is a working version on GOG but they have managed to publish the patched version that is broken and unplayable.

[johneski]

I think the great appeal for this game to me is the 1920's era and the graphics that depict that era. Is there another game that has to do with that era?

[adamkkool]

Originally posted by johneski:

Is the game really as bad as what the reviews say?

yes. Even now almost a year later half the features still do not work, specially the bigggest one diplomacy.

[LockedandFiring]

It's pretty good. I enjoy it

[ghouler]

The game is REALLY bad. The turn based combat is super boring and repetitive. The management and diplomatic side which they are referring to is completely missing from the game. The only thing you manage in the game is a single button that rotates between which liquor people in the area want, and the effect of clicking it is not affecting anything. It's just a repetitive turn based combat game where people standing next to each other constantly miss their shots. They just made good artwork and cinematic to fool people with their marketing materials into believing this was another paradox strategy game with depth to it, which it is completely not. It's a gimmicky turn based combat game.

[[OCe]Kagari]

I had some doubts too, and judging by reviews I'm very hesistant to buy it. But I played the game nonetheless from my cousin's family sharing. The management side is lackluster but Im a big fan of xcom style combat tho. I say i'm having fun throughout my 27 hours of play.