witchcrafters need a nerf or smthn

[ZeXL]

they are insane, infinite ways to add their spells to hand and then special summon that one 8 star which says "each effects once per turn" but can use both quick effects which allow negating effects and infinite buffs of 1000 based on how many spells in hand. Not to mention they can buff another minion with the effect and if you use a deck based on effects it just gets negated. why did Konami allow witchcrafters so much? the only way i have seen to win is by stalling and allowing a deck out ,time limit or SURRENDER )whether it is you or your opponent) and if you try to use a direct attacker it is just negated so there isn't much you can do.

[Orochi Samurai]

Madame Verre, is her name.

Destroy her with a card effect
Negate her own effects
Banish her
Floodgate her (that is to say, flip her face down, not just the card Floodgate Traphole)

^ any one of these, among others, solves your problem.

[1WingedAngel]

They have had a nerf of sorts (Holiday on the limit 3), though that was mainly to stop them being played with the Lightsworn engine... which they still are, buy hey. They will likely have other cards added to the limited list eventually, but it's still a relatively new deck so perhaps not any time soon.

And deck out is by no means the only way to beat it. Now you know how it works you just need to gear your deck to counter/play around it. The deck lives and dies by its boss monster. Verre, so focus your resources on dealing with her. Her effect means she's well protected in battle, but she can be targeted and destroyed by card effects, so the deck is naturally weak to backrow. Karma Cut, Chain Disappearance, Raigecki break, Offerings to the doomed etc. whatever you choose. If you use floodgates don't waste them on the low-level Witchcrafters, their special summon is a quick effect so they can chain, only activate effects when Verre comes out. Even something like Last day of Witch is very situational, but effective.

[Sephilar]

Witchcrafters are easily beaten against card effects like Raigeki Break unless you've Machine Angel Ritual in the graveyard, and even worse when against Karma Cut. The reason why Witchcrafters can fare better in Duel Links is because it was never an archetype that relies of the Extra Deck and decks overall in Duel Links don't have as much effects like in Master Duels, but you can still bait Witchcrafters here if you get the chance. Madame can only deny the effects of monsters in the field and is only once per turn, meaning monsters that are summoned after the activation effect can't have their effects negated.

As for the spells, we only have 3 Witchcrafter spells in Duel Links, so if you happen to play against someone that has more than 3 different spell cards in their hand you either didn't play well or your opponent was just very lucky, otherwise you aren't going to always have so many spells in your hand.

I'll keep playing Witchcrafters with Spell Chronicle in the meantime, but don't tell anyone about it

[Shark]

As the other already said witch lolis are very good at shutting down monster based decks like Superheavy Samurais but they die very hard to any kind of backrow. For example if you use the card Chain Disappearance on Madame Verre you instantly shut down their boss monster and while they can recover from that its going to take at least 1-2 turn till they get Verre back on the field and that only if they have the right cards to do so. Another card that completely shuts them down is Necrovalley. Their effects revolve mostly around using ressources in the graveyard and Necrovalley prevents not only spells from being recovered but also shuts down their monsters graveyard effects. I honestly struggle to see why the deck is even considered tier 1 when its one of the easiest to counter meta decks we have right now.

[76561199087616762]

I play WC without the mill engine, synchro, or it's newer support cards. Trust me, it feels more like a tier 3 deck at best and it's prone to bricking with all spells in hand. Wish I had at least one copy of Genni. Anyways, the actual deck itself from the BOX doesn't need a nerf because the boss monster can be dealt with by backrow. BUT if Konami does decide to nerf the lightsworn version again, they will probably semi-limit Genni to 2 to prevent the deck from playing E-Con, etc.

Decks that beat me easily:

Blackwings
Dark Magician
Heavy Trap Decks

[Sephilar]

Originally posted by bmrjkt90:

I play WC without the mill engine, synchro, or it's newer support cards. Trust me, it feels more like a tier 3 deck at best and it's prone to bricking with all spells in hand. Wish I had at least one copy of Genni. Anyways, the actual deck itself from the BOX doesn't need a nerf because the boss monster can be dealt with by backrow. BUT if Konami does decide to nerf the lightsworn version again, they will probably semi-limit Genni to 2 to prevent the deck from playing E-Con, etc.

Genni makes the deck a lot better, literally with the whole archetype Genni and Schmietta are the best non-boss cards, and both them should be played with at least two copies of it to make the deck worth to play. Personally I only got 1 copy of Genni in the event and I know my winrate would be quite higher if only I got 2 copies in the event. I don't think they should ban Genni since it's a key card for the archetype like Lumina is with Lightsworn, but then again since that card isn't from a box if they do decide to nerf the deck more I'm sure they will hit Genni.

So yeah, if it wasn't for Genni I don't think Witchcrafters would be more than just tier 3 at best like you said, but since Konami likes to kill decks once they serve their purpose like they did with Darklord, I wouldn't be surprised either way.

[[絶望] 𝔖𝔲𝔦𝔠𝔦𝔡𝔞𝔩_ℑ𝔡𝔬𝔩]

Originally posted by ZeXL:

they are insane, infinite ways to add their spells to hand and then special summon that one 8 star which says "each effects once per turn" but can use both quick effects which allow negating effects and infinite buffs of 1000 based on how many spells in hand. Not to mention they can buff another minion with the effect and if you use a deck based on effects it just gets negated. why did Konami allow witchcrafters so much? the only way i have seen to win is by stalling and allowing a deck out ,time limit or SURRENDER )whether it is you or your opponent) and if you try to use a direct attacker it is just negated so there isn't much you can do.

learn how to play against the deck easy as that, use backrow, they have no answer to it, you're welcome...

[Kero Kero]

Originally posted by bmrjkt90:

I play WC without the mill engine, synchro, or it's newer support cards. Trust me, it feels more like a tier 3 deck at best and it's prone to bricking with all spells in hand. Wish I had at least one copy of Genni. Anyways, the actual deck itself from the BOX doesn't need a nerf because the boss monster can be dealt with by backrow. BUT if Konami does decide to nerf the lightsworn version again, they will probably semi-limit Genni to 2 to prevent the deck from playing E-Con, etc.

Decks that beat me easily:

Blackwings
Dark Magician
Heavy Trap Decks

Heavy Trap decks so , uh everything that's not Super Heavy sams

[ZeXL]

Originally posted by Orochi Samurai:

Madame Verre, is her name.

Destroy her with a card effect
Negate her own effects
Banish her
Floodgate her (that is to say, flip her face down, not just the card Floodgate Traphole)

^ any one of these, among others, solves your problem.

i am a f2p with worst luck and i have no ways to get those such cards
i also was playing superheavy samurais at the time sooo... kinda pointless and when i try and negate using spells or traps i instantly get ultimate provinenced

[Tunnel Sharks Rule!!!]

Originally posted by ZeXL:

Originally posted by Orochi Samurai:

Madame Verre, is her name.

Destroy her with a card effect
Negate her own effects
Banish her
Floodgate her (that is to say, flip her face down, not just the card Floodgate Traphole)

^ any one of these, among others, solves your problem.

i am a f2p with worst luck and i have no ways to get those such cards
i also was playing superheavy samurais at the time sooo... kinda pointless and when i try and negate using spells or traps i instantly get ultimate provinenced

I remember when people were calling for Superheavy to be nerfed, just cause you can't deal with it doesn't mean it should be nerfed

[Shark]

Originally posted by Who's A Good Girl:

Originally posted by ZeXL:

i am a f2p with worst luck and i have no ways to get those such cards
i also was playing superheavy samurais at the time sooo... kinda pointless and when i try and negate using spells or traps i instantly get ultimate provinenced

I remember when people were calling for Superheavy to be nerfed, just cause you can't deal with it doesn't mean it should be nerfed

*laughs in Witch Lolis*

[ZeXL]

Originally posted by Who's A Good Girl:

Originally posted by ZeXL:

i am a f2p with worst luck and i have no ways to get those such cards
i also was playing superheavy samurais at the time sooo... kinda pointless and when i try and negate using spells or traps i instantly get ultimate provinenced

I remember when people were calling for Superheavy to be nerfed, just cause you can't deal with it doesn't mean it should be nerfed

i know it doesnt mean it should be nerfed cause of 1 deck but the thing is the quick effects are really strong and says it can use only 1 of each effect a turn but it used multiple on my turn and is capable of beating a blue eyes easily the only exception i would say is if blue eyes used the negate effect and that wasnt stopped. Thing is many different archtypes are bad and konami didnt give as much freedom to them so its not just samurais having trouble its others as well because it is very strong and if the person is smart enough to run things to stop counters its near untouchable

[Sephilar]

Originally posted by ZeXL:

Originally posted by Who's A Good Girl:

I remember when people were calling for Superheavy to be nerfed, just cause you can't deal with it doesn't mean it should be nerfed

i know it doesnt mean it should be nerfed cause of 1 deck but the thing is the quick effects are really strong and says it can use only 1 of each effect a turn but it used multiple on my turn and is capable of beating a blue eyes easily the only exception i would say is if blue eyes used the negate effect and that wasnt stopped. Thing is many different archtypes are bad and konami didnt give as much freedom to them so its not just samurais having trouble its others as well because it is very strong and if the person is smart enough to run things to stop counters its near untouchable

Blue Eyes can actually beat Witchcrafters easily, just use Alternative to force Madame to use her effect to negate the destruction and then summon Vermillion. If you prefer to play them with the UD skill Twin Burst Dragon will also force the opponent to negate his effect everytime they try to banish Madame, and if you play them with Lightsworn you can also use Fortune Lady, Michael, Zeta,etc,...

On top of that as I said previously, Madame can only negate effects in the FIELD, so she's unable to negate effects like White Stone and Dawn Knight.

[RokuroCarisu]

Originally posted by Orochi Samurai:

Floodgate her (that is to say, flip her face down, not just the card Floodgate Traphole)

Canadia is your friend, as usual.