How will the Karma Cut era end?

[Vyze]

I think, BEWD is mostly so powerful right now, because it has card advantage, providing munition for Karma Cut/Raigeki Break etc. Shiranui was similar, because both decks can make excellent use of the GY. I dont know if people are fully aware of that, but it is a very big deal.

See, DL is balanced different than the TCG. There we had stuff like torrential tribute, mirror force, darkhole and so on. Karma Cut was balanced around those cards. But now we dont have those. Instead we entered the archtype deck era much earlier. Those decks make their advantage mostly through card advantage, which generates munition.

I quit YGO because those archdeck stuff destroyed the old YGO. So, I do not know, what is comming next and how cards like Karma Cut could get pushed out. Traps have proven as really stable staples. So, I see Karma Cut as the top card for a very long time now.

Those things could happen that end the era:

- Release of Darkhole etc
- Nerf of BEWD and similar decks
- Protection against targeting effects

What do you think?

[W+M1 Pyro]

protection against targeting already ended up with a ban, i doubt they are going to go down that path any time soo. an hit to karma and or raigeki and bewd techs is more plausible.

[Vyze]

Forgot to mention: Royal Decree, but thats even banned in TCG, so I doubt it

[Alhimik]

I doubt any of Blue Eye cards are going to be hit, given Konami's love for this archtype. More likely to be hit are trap cards like Karma Cut which is the most popular and used trap right now.

[electricwizard]

Originally posted by Alhimik:

I doubt any of Blue Eye cards are going to be hit, given Konami's love for this archtype. More likely to be hit are trap cards like Karma Cut which is the most popular and used trap right now.

I'm willing to bet they'll limit both Cards of Consonance and The White Stone of Ancients to 3. Karma could ultimately get limited to 2 or 3 but I doubt it.

[Alhimik]

Originally posted by electricwizard:

Originally posted by Alhimik:

I doubt any of Blue Eye cards are going to be hit, given Konami's love for this archtype. More likely to be hit are trap cards like Karma Cut which is the most popular and used trap right now.

I'm willing to bet they'll limit both Cards of Consonance and The White Stone of Ancients to 3. Karma could ultimately get limited to 2 or 3 but I doubt it.

No way that would happen; firstly Consonance and the Stone are in the same structure pack, but more importantly Consonance is also used in Dragunity so they have to balance it around that.

[dewobedil]

we need limit karma cut to 2, because karma cut for me is not stapple but make poeple cant event play , like nobleknights , when you summon got karma cut and its done

the only deck that can play around karma cut is thunder dragon, ritual beast and shiranui (before banlist) no other deck cant play banned cards

[GoreTiger]

Originally posted by dewobedil:

we need limit karma cut to 2, because karma cut for me is not stapple but make poeple cant event play , like nobleknights , when you summon got karma cut and its done

the only deck that can play around karma cut is thunder dragon, ritual beast and shiranui (before banlist) no other deck cant play banned cards

Karma cut doesn't deserve to get limited until decks like Blue eyes/photon get dealt with.
I 100% load up on karma cuts in ranked because 90% of my duels are against people who summon 3 blue eyes on the field in their very first turn.

[Swoldier]

The problem is not necessarily Karma cut its supposed to be a minus 1 but all these powerful decks blue-eyes,desperado, noble knights, are able to profit from that discard. And if we are being honest karma cut is needed because as we progress further and we get more cards how are you going to deal with monsters that have destruction protection, monsters that cant be destroyed by battle, etc

[GoreTiger]

There are plenty of worse cards out there then karma cut as well. Drowning mirror force, The saik armor trap card. W.e that card is that cuts all your monster's ATK in half. They've been spammed at me alot more then Karma cut has.

[☠LLMC]

Originally posted by GoreTiger:

There are plenty of worse cards out there then karma cut as well. Drowning mirror force, The saik armor trap card. W.e that card is that cuts all your monster's ATK in half. They've been spammed at me alot more then Karma cut has.

Most people don't think so. Banlist and balance should be done for most public interest but not minority. Just wait and see how Konami will do.

[GoreTiger]

Originally posted by ☠LLMC:

Originally posted by GoreTiger:

There are plenty of worse cards out there then karma cut as well. Drowning mirror force, The saik armor trap card. W.e that card is that cuts all your monster's ATK in half. They've been spammed at me alot more then Karma cut has.

Most people don't think so. Banlist and balance should be done for most public interest but not minority. Just wait and see how Konami will do.

I'd be willing to bet the majority of people upset over karma cut run META decks they shelled out $100+ to build, and out of that majority i'm willing to bet at least 60% of it are bewb deck users.

[Obsidian Dragoon]

Originally posted by Alhimik:

Originally posted by electricwizard:

I'm willing to bet they'll limit both Cards of Consonance and The White Stone of Ancients to 3. Karma could ultimately get limited to 2 or 3 but I doubt it.

No way that would happen; firstly Consonance and the Stone are in the same structure pack, but more importantly Consonance is also used in Dragunity so they have to balance it around that.

You seem to forget that Konami will worry more about top tier meta decks being oppressive over the low tier ones that need something to function.

Dragunity aren't in a good spot and probably won't come back without more archetype specific cards. Hitting Consonance, ironically enough, allows Konami to release another Dragunity card or two because Dragunity won't have the generic draw option that another, more powerful deck was abusing.

[Obsidian Dragoon]

Originally posted by dewobedil:

we need limit karma cut to 2, because karma cut for me is not stapple but make poeple cant event play , like nobleknights , when you summon got karma cut and its done

the only deck that can play around karma cut is thunder dragon, ritual beast and shiranui (before banlist) no other deck cant play banned cards

Cyber Dragons would like a word with you.

[Lazy Dog Daddy]

Quick question related to krma cut but unrelated to the topic , but does artifact Lancea negate karma cut or only prevent its use for a turn ?

[Sephilar]

Originally posted by Vyze:

Forgot to mention: Royal Decree, but thats even banned in TCG, so I doubt it

Royal Decree it's not even semi-limited, what are you talking about? Also if Konami doesn't even let us to have a third copy of Jinzo don't even expect to get that card in Duel Links.

Originally posted by Lazy Dog Daddy:

Quick question related to krma cut but unrelated to the topic , but does artifact Lancea negate karma cut or only prevent its use for a turn ?

Doesn't negate but it will stop the card to be able to use its effect that turn, same as if for example the opponent were to use Polymerization but then you chain with Enemy Controller to get control of the card material the opponent was going to use.