Witchcrafter madame verre most busted card in the whole game?

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Ruins the fun when everyone else is using it simply have spell cards in your hand to negate all monsters and boost it's attack / defence by 3 or 4 thousand easily? what's the point of nerfing cards if they just release new completely OP cards that don't get nerfed for a long time? it's blatant pay2win simply activate your credit card to get KOG anytime!

[Tunnel Sharks Rule!!!]

1. It's not P2W
2. We already had this discussion

[Orochi Samurai]

Originally posted by HERO Chan:

1. It's not P2W
2. We already had this discussion

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[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Oh look...another mountain made from a mole hill.

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Originally posted by HERO Chan:

1. It's not P2W
2. We already had this discussion

Discussion was about dark magician which has been nerfed prove any of my points wrong.

[Tunnel Sharks Rule!!!]

Originally posted by Mountain:

Originally posted by HERO Chan:

1. It's not P2W
2. We already had this discussion

Discussion was about dark magician which has been nerfed prove any of my points wrong.

Your last topic was how Witchcrafters was P2W not DM

[Soda]

Originally posted by Mountain:

Originally posted by HERO Chan:

1. It's not P2W
2. We already had this discussion

Discussion was about dark magician which has been nerfed prove any of my points wrong.

Dark Magician has not been nerfed.

Here's some math:

Circle = Nav.
3 Rod + 3 Circle = 6 copies of Circle.
Going first, this provides you a 79.34% chance of opening with Circle
Going second, 87.09%
If we take into account having a way to get to DM *besides* circle, you have a 46.11% chance to open Circle + DM + Nav going first and 60.54% chance going second.

2 Rod + 3 Circle
First = 71.83% chance to open Circle
Second = 80.62% chance to open circle.

DM + Circle (no searching DM with circle)
First = 41.07%
Second 55.44%

The difference is by 5%.

The deck has not been hit anywhere near hard enough for it to be considered a "nerf".

[W+M1 Pyro]

all u need is chain disappearance

[1WingedAngel]

She's a powerful boss monster for sure, but hardly busted. Once you understand how her effects work you just need to work with what you have to play around it or change your tech cards accordingly.

In my experience playing as and against, Witchcrafters are pretty weak against backrow. The above example of Chain Disappearance is a great example.

[Obsidian Dragoon]

Originally posted by メイドの召喚獣ーレイ:

Originally posted by Mountain:

Discussion was about dark magician which has been nerfed prove any of my points wrong.

Dark Magician has not been nerfed.

Here's some math:

Circle = Nav.
3 Rod + 3 Circle = 6 copies of Circle.
Going first, this provides you a 79.34% chance of opening with Circle
Going second, 87.09%
If we take into account having a way to get to DM *besides* circle, you have a 46.11% chance to open Circle + DM + Nav going first and 60.54% chance going second.

2 Rod + 3 Circle
First = 71.83% chance to open Circle
Second = 80.62% chance to open circle.

DM + Circle (no searching DM with circle)
First = 41.07%
Second 55.44%

The difference is by 5%.

The deck has not been hit anywhere near hard enough for it to be considered a "nerf".

Losing 5% chance of getting circle first turn is still a nerf. It's just not a big one.

It's also too difficult to properly consider all of the cards that could summon Dark Magician that might be in the deck and their individual conditions (if any). Navigation is the most common and requires that DM be in the hand to use, thus is two more cards to need immediately available.

[Obsidian Dragoon]

Originally posted by 1WingedAngel:

She's a powerful boss monster for sure, but hardly busted. Once you understand how her effects work you just need to work with what you have to play around it or change your tech cards accordingly.

In my experience playing as and against, Witchcrafters are pretty weak against backrow. The above example of Chain Disappearance is a great example.

If Chain Hole didn't require that Verre's effect be used in response to an activation, it would be a valid negation. Next best thing is Divine Wrath, which can be used against her in the damage step as a counter trap.

[Goshko]

I am F2P and play a near optimized LS WC list, it's not a P2W deck, but it is not very cheap to make. There is no doubt that the deck is good, but Madam Verre is not close to the most busted monster in duel links. She is however very polarizing, since some decks really cant deal with her without techs, while others have little trouble removing her off the field.

I'd argue the strongest monster in duel links history is Aliestar the invoker. Since he is a an incredibly splashable monster that can even make you go +1 from resolving his effect. The fact invocation can steal your opponent's resources is another crazy strength of the card. Aliestar (and his fusions) have caused a lot of cards to be limited on the banlist just for existing. There was even a KC cup where 8 of the top 10 players played an invoked variant.

[Tunnel Sharks Rule!!!]

Originally posted by JIDF Operative:

I am F2P and play a near optimized LS WC list, it's not a P2W deck, but it is not very cheap to make. There is no doubt that the deck is good, but Madam Verre is not close to the most busted monster in duel links. She is however very polarizing, since some decks really cant deal with her without techs, while others have little trouble removing her off the field.

I'd argue the strongest monster in duel links history is Aliestar the invoker. Since he is a an incredibly splashable monster that can even make you go +1 from resolving his effect. The fact invocation can steal your opponent's resources is another crazy strength of the card. Aliestar (and his fusions) have caused a lot of cards to be limited on the banlist just for existing. There was even a KC cup where 8 of the top 10 players played an invoked variant.

Nope, the strongest monster in DL history was Shi En. A card that can destroy another Six Samurai to protect itself while also having effect destruction immunity cause of it's tuner while also having the ability to negate 1 spell/trap from activating. Six Samurai was tier 0, Invoked was never tier 0

[Goshko]

Originally posted by HERO Chan:

Originally posted by JIDF Operative:

I am F2P and play a near optimized LS WC list, it's not a P2W deck, but it is not very cheap to make. There is no doubt that the deck is good, but Madam Verre is not close to the most busted monster in duel links. She is however very polarizing, since some decks really cant deal with her without techs, while others have little trouble removing her off the field.

I'd argue the strongest monster in duel links history is Aliestar the invoker. Since he is a an incredibly splashable monster that can even make you go +1 from resolving his effect. The fact invocation can steal your opponent's resources is another crazy strength of the card. Aliestar (and his fusions) have caused a lot of cards to be limited on the banlist just for existing. There was even a KC cup where 8 of the top 10 players played an invoked variant.

Nope, the strongest monster in DL history was Shi En. A card that can destroy another Six Samurai to protect itself while also having effect destruction immunity cause of it's tuner while also having the ability to negate 1 spell/trap from activating. Six Samurai was tier 0, Invoked was never tier 0

If Shi en is the most powerful monster in duel links, then why isn't he played right now? Like he is a strong boss monster, but during the time in Six Sams hay day, the meta was pretty much taylored for them to beat since most decks relied on S/T effects to function, and didn't have many impactful monster effects to remove Shi En with. Six Sams were technically never T0, but they were pretty much the best deck in that format.

Also why does it say you were banned? I haven't seen all your posts, but you seem to be pretty civil from what I have seen?

[Shark]

Originally posted by JIDF Operative:

Originally posted by HERO Chan:

Nope, the strongest monster in DL history was Shi En. A card that can destroy another Six Samurai to protect itself while also having effect destruction immunity cause of it's tuner while also having the ability to negate 1 spell/trap from activating. Six Samurai was tier 0, Invoked was never tier 0

If Shi en is the most powerful monster in duel links, then why isn't he played right now? Like he is a strong boss monster, but during the time in Six Sams hay day, the meta was pretty much taylored for them to beat since most decks relied on S/T effects to function, and didn't have many impactful monster effects to remove Shi En with. Six Sams were technically never T0, but they were pretty much the best deck in that format.

Also why does it say you were banned? I haven't seen all your posts, but you seem to be pretty civil from what I have seen?

The report system is very abusable and some salty people apparently just mass report all posts from certain people here to get them banned. Steam mods dont seem to actually check the reported posts content and just look at the description given with the report so as long as you type "im offended" or make up some story they'll trust you and punish people

[Orochi Samurai]

Originally posted by Ban:

Originally posted by JIDF Operative:

If Shi en is the most powerful monster in duel links, then why isn't he played right now? Like he is a strong boss monster, but during the time in Six Sams hay day, the meta was pretty much taylored for them to beat since most decks relied on S/T effects to function, and didn't have many impactful monster effects to remove Shi En with. Six Sams were technically never T0, but they were pretty much the best deck in that format.

Also why does it say you were banned? I haven't seen all your posts, but you seem to be pretty civil from what I have seen?

The report system is very abusable and some salty people apparently just mass report all posts from certain people here to get them banned. Steam mods dont seem to actually check the reported posts content and just look at the description given with the report so as long as you type "im offended" or make up some story they'll trust you and punish people

So true.